Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

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USAFgolferVol said:
Which he wouldn't have been if he hadn't strolled right into the middle of it
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As I alluded (and posted a link about) in an earlier post the situation is far more complicated than you seem to address in your posts.

Mind you this isn't me throwing laurels in KR's direction but I'm guessing you aren't very familiar with the details of the case.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I've condemned the idiot rioters on many occasions. Is every issue an absolute, binary thought process? More people than not in this country condemn both Rittenhouse and the rioters. I am one of them
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He should be guilty of the gun charged and free from others charges...my question is why pick on the 1 guy that defended himself...
When he was clearly attacked and outnumbered....
 
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hndog609 said:
As I alluded (and posted a link about) in an earlier post the situation is far more complicated than you seem to address in your posts.

Mind you this isn't me throwing laurels in KR's direction but I'm guessing you aren't very familiar with the details of the case.
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Yes, I am familiar with it
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Yes, I am familiar with it
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With respect your apparent dismissiveness to a number of factors would not seem to reflect that being the case. We can discuss things like prudency or parse legalese but there is a lot more to this case than you've set forth in the exchanges I've seen here.

I'm not trying to put too much heat on this but you seem a bit too content to address this as a clear cut case that, with any familiarization, has a number of moving parts.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Oh look, he obtained his gun secretly and illegally. But that's ok. He had no predetermined intentions of shooting someone. SMDH
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I won't dispute those charges. He will more than likely have some form of restitution for that. That's not the issue here. For one in a tissy about people deflecting pot meet kettle.
 
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hndog609 said:
With respect your apparent dismissiveness to a number of factors would not seem to reflect that being the case. We can discuss things like prudency or parse legalese but there is a lot more to this case than you've set forth in the exchanges I've seen here.

I'm not trying to put too much heat on this but you seem a bit too content to address this as a clear cut case that, with any familiarization, has a number of moving parts.
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I understand the moving parts of the situation. Seems you might be trying to overcomplicate it. Trying to decipher every moment of it is irrelevant to my point. While you claim you're not defending KR, you're actually defending him by trying to rationalize it with irrelevant details. I do appreciate your diplomatic approach in the debate
 
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84Volfan said:
I won't dispute those charges. He will more than likely have some form of restitution for that. That's not the issue here. For one in a tissy about people deflecting pot meet kettle.
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I don't think he should be charged with murder. A lesser manslaughter charge is appropriate. There was some premeditation involved
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I don't think he should be charged with murder. A lesser manslaughter charge is appropriate. There was some premeditation involved
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I don't think so. His actions were only reactions to the rioters' actions. Unless he said publicly and there is proof it will be hard for a prosecutor to prove he had intent to use force....

This more than likely gets settled before trial
 
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Carl Pickens said:
He planned on having someone grab his gun after threatening to beat the S out of him? ….. and to have another point a gun at his head?
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Right. Im seriously having a hard time understanding his point....he hasn't given any proof or common sense other then he shouldn't have been there.....no one should have, others werw destroying property and he goes after the one who us on record helping give aid and protect people and property...its beyond stupid at this point
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I understand the moving parts of the situation. Seems you might be trying to overcomplicate it. Trying to decipher every moment of it is irrelevant to my point. While you claim you're not defending KR, you're actually defending him by trying to rationalize it with irrelevant details. I do appreciate your diplomatic approach in the debate
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I would much rather "decipher every moment" when dealing with events of this nature than breeze through with a hot take approach. Not saying you're that far to that side of the discussion but I think you know what I mean. And I'll match your "not defending KR" with your willingness to dismiss any details you happen to deem "irrelevant". To my mind the severity of an incident should be directly correlated with one's willingness to really go deep in the facts. I'm not even suggesting we do that here (I don't want to do the homework to be honest) but when things of this nature happen I'm always going to lean towards pushing back against taking the easy road to forming an opinion.

My contention has been and remains there are more layers to this (like an ogre, if you get the reference) than a lot of people, including you from what's been posted to this point, seem to want to consider.
 
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84Volfan said:
I don't think so. His actions were only reactions to the rioters' actions. Unless he said publicly and there is proof it will be hard for a prosecutor to prove he had intent to use force....

This more than likely gets settled before trial
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He went and picked a gun up and walked into the heart of the riot. Not that hard to prove given the video evidence. He was defending himself in the moment, but purposefully put himself in that situation. He was 17 years old. If he really wanted to be a patriot, he could have joined the military. The military has harnessed and developed misguided kids in its entire existence.

This has been a fun debate. Thanks for your candor and diplomacy. Grill has my immediate attention. Thanks
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
He went and picked a gun up and walked into the heart of the riot. Not that hard to prove given the video evidence. He was defending himself in the moment, but purposefully put himself in that situation. He was 17 years old. If he really wanted to be a patriot, he could have joined the military. The military has harnessed and developed misguided kids in its entire existence.

This has been a fun debate. Thanks for your candor and diplomacy. Grill has my immediate attention. Thanks
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You must have missed the video of him talking about being out there in case of injuries, and bandaging up rioters..or running around trying to put out a fire with an extinguisher......or other witnesses talking about his helping......
 
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whodeycin85 said:
You must have missed the video of him talking about being out there in case of injuries, and bandaging up rioters..or running around trying to put out a fire with an extinguisher......or other witnesses talking about his helping......
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Right. A fooking Boy Scout and his AR15 lol
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I don't think he should be charged with murder. A lesser manslaughter charge is appropriate. There was some premeditation involved
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I don’t think it’ll meet the legal standard of manslaughter. I watched the video and he attempted to non violently extricate himself from every situation, with that in mind I don’t think premeditation can be established. When is his trial?
 
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C-south said:
Going into a situation prepared to defend yourself isn’t “premeditation”.
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Especially when you consider that open carry is permissible in Wisconsin. (And yes I know he’s breaking the law because of his age) It’d be illogical for the mere possession of a weapon to be grounds to establish premeditation when it is something that is fully permitted in that state.
 
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