Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

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n_huffhines said:
So if they busted in the doors of Chase Bank, we're all good, right? I mean, the big corporations are in bed with the government.
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I think you can make that leap if you want to. I don't know enough about the BTP to know if the cargo was subsidized, endorsed, or owned (partially or wholly) by the Crown.

If you had been wronged by Chase Bank and you want to protest outside their offices, great. If you want to go inside and do as much damage as possible before being taken down, I understand but it doesn't mean it is right or legal.

If a protest is going to turn destructive, I want the mob to attack the institutions which are responsible for the grievance...in this case police, city buildings, etc.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Like the Boston Tea Party.

The funny thing is everybody at the BTP was in on the destruction of private property and we're good with it. Destroying property was everybody's objective. Most protesters across America were not looting or destroying property and people here on VN do mental gymnastics trying to disqualify the entire protest because of the people destroying property.
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May be splitting hairs, but my understanding of the BTP is the mob didn't loot the Tea, they destroyed it.

When low character people use a protest to steal for themselves, it is an act of selfishness and detracts from the cause of the protest. It is fine to call it what it is and not attempt to connect it to the "higher purpose".
 
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McDad said:
I think you can make that leap if you want to. I don't know enough about the BTP to know if the cargo was subsidized, endorsed, or owned (partially or wholly) by the Crown.

If you had been wronged by Chase Bank and you want to protest outside their offices, great. If you want to go inside and do as much damage as possible before being taken down, I understand but it doesn't mean it is right or legal.

If a protest is going to turn destructive, I want the mob to attack the institutions which are responsible for the grievance...in this case police, city buildings, etc.
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I'm definitely with you.

My point about the BTP isn't that what they did is right (so BLM protesters are right too). I'm trying to bring the two sides a little closer together by relating something right-wingers understand to be an important protest. Say we got 100 protesters correctly arguing that there is injustice in America and the other side is responding, "We won't acknowledge this is a protest at all because 10 of you looted." and then the sides get further apart.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It was definitely a hybrid type of company, but I believe there was a lot of private money involved at the time of the BTP.
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The British East India Company was a Public, State owned enterprise.
Parliament controlled it.

The BEIC had its own standing armies.

But sure, it was like totally just like Chase…
 
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McDad said:
May be splitting hairs, but my understanding of the BTP is the mob didn't loot the Tea, they destroyed it.

When low character people use a protest to steal for themselves, it is an act of selfishness and detracts from the cause of the protest. It is fine to call it what it is and not attempt to connect it to the "higher purpose".
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Many a fine leather saddle was looted on the day of the BTP….

Then they burned down the entire Benjamin’s Leather Works!
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm definitely with you.

My point about the BTP isn't that what they did is right (so BLM protesters are right too). I'm trying to bring the two sides a little closer together by relating something right-wingers understand to be an important protest. Say we got 100 protesters correctly arguing that there is injustice in America and the other side is responding, "We won't acknowledge this is a protest at all because 10 of you looted." and then the sides get further apart.
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I haven't seen many of the regulars here put down protesting. They seem to be in agreement that protesting is healthy. Crossing the line to theft, violence against innocents, destruction of property unrelated to the issue is crossing the line. Based on my real life conversations with people sympathetic to the protests, they too draw a clear line of distinction between protesters, thieves, assaulters, and destruction of private property. They are more angry at the 10 bad actors than anyone.
 
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McDad said:
I haven't seen many of the regulars here put down protesting. They seem to be in agreement that protesting is healthy. Crossing the line to theft, violence against innocents, destruction of property unrelated to the issue is crossing the line. Based on my real life conversations with people sympathetic to the protests, they too draw a clear line of distinction between protesters, thieves, assaulters, and destruction of private property. They are more angry at the 10 bad actors than anyone.
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It’s laughable that he describes it as 10 out of 100 to begin with.
 
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85SugarVol said:
It’s laughable that he describes it as 10 out of 100 to begin with.
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Meh. I am not aware of any quantification of "bad" to "good" actors at the protest. It could be more than 10%. The number of people is less important than retaining a healthy, objective perspective about what should and should not be acceptable in a civil protest.
 
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McDad said:
I haven't seen many of the regulars here put down protesting. They seem to be in agreement that protesting is healthy. Crossing the line to theft, violence against innocents, destruction of property unrelated to the issue is crossing the line. Based on my real life conversations with people sympathetic to the protests, they too draw a clear line of distinction between protesters, thieves, assaulters, and destruction of private property. They are more angry at the 10 bad actors than anyone.
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I assure you that several regulars here were saying they weren't protesters. I had to defend use of the word all the time
 
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n_huffhines said:
I assure you that several regulars here were saying they weren't protesters. I had to defend use of the word all the time
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I'll take your word for it. We tend to paint with broad brushes, here.

But there is a difference between protesters and the others with a personal agenda and I think most of the regulars (the ones I read, anyway) make the distinction.
 
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McDad said:
I'll take your word for it. We tend to paint with broad brushes, here.

But there is a difference between protesters and the others with a personal agenda and I think most of the regulars (the ones I read, anyway) make the distinction.
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I mean, it's been years already now, but as I recall, this was a regular talking point on Fox News.
 
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n_huffhines said:
That's fine, but my point is about bringing the sides together, not just VN
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The only unification you have influence over is VN when you post here.

I think it is idealistic to hope the sides can be brought together. We seem to only be able to do that when threatened by a common enemy. But I support your idealism.
 
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