Lady Vols BoostHer Club: special donation for Jordy

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Majors said:
Agree. A nice gesture to JH, a slap in the face to the others. JH is coming out of school debt free and a WNBA job soon.
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I agree. Listen, anyone who feels a desire to give money to a graduating player, feel free. But activists have been pushing this notion for a decade that student-athletes are pour souls exploited by their schools for profits, blah, blah. It's all complete nonsense. Horston and every major-college BB player in America is getting a valuable college degree for free--plus free housing, free food, free health care, free tutoring, free counseling (if needed)--not to mention four years of coaching without which she would not be preparing to play professionally. Student-athletes are privileged---and keep in mind than most college students in America are incurring significant student debt to earn their degrees, which will take them years to pay off once they start their careers. They'd all kill to change places with student-athletes who are getting their college degrees at no cost along with all the other benefits, which if added up must value well in excess of $300,000, and that might be a conservative number.

I don't write this to suggest that people don't contribute to Horston. Not at all. I simply think it's time to counter this absurd narrative that student-athletes are put-upon "employees" of schools raking in big profits on their backs. College football brings in a a lot of money, basketball some money--and nearly all of it is invested back into all the sports programs at universities--for facilities, travel, hotels, insurance, equipment, recruiting, uniforms, administrative costs, etc. etc--including all the non-revenue programs. Most major-college athletic departments lose money, in fact. This notion that student-athletes should be paid is nonsense. NIL is mostly corrupt nonsense as well, because it's not being regulated. If a company wants to use a student-athletes name, image, likeness in a legit way to market products, then, yes, of course, the athletes should be getting a deal. But schools shouldn't be bribing high-schoolers to sign with their programs with NIL deals--that should be outlawed. It's nothing but bribery. There should be no NIL deals until student-athletes are enrolled in college--and after that any NIL deals offered/signed should be monitored and scrutinized for legitimacy. Otherwise, they'll be corruption, which no doubt is going on already. It's time we put the word 'student' back into the term "student-athlete." We've let some money-grubbers push this narrative that student-athletes should be getting cash, and it's ridiculous.
 
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This doesn't have to get politicized or made part of an "activist" agenda. Look at it like giving a kid you know a graduation gift of cash. We do that, right? With neices and nephews and kids of friends, etc. etc. A gesture of support as they go on their way. We don't question their level of need. In a case like this, it would be in gratitude for all the hard work that entertained us for four years. Doesn't need to be more complicated than that.
 
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turbovol said:
I agree. Listen, anyone who feels a desire to give money to a graduating player, feel free. But activists have been pushing this notion for a decade that student-athletes are pour souls exploited by their schools for profits, blah, blah. It's all complete nonsense. Horston and every major-college BB player in America is getting a valuable college degree for free--plus free housing, free food, free health care, free tutoring, free counseling (if needed)--not to mention four years of coaching without which she would not be preparing to play professionally. Student-athletes are privileged---and keep in mind than most college students in America are incurring significant student debt to earn their degrees, which will take them years to pay off once they start their careers. They'd all kill to change places with student-athletes who are getting their college degrees at no cost along with all the other benefits, which if added up must value well in excess of $300,000, and that might be a conservative number.

I don't write this to suggest that people don't contribute to Horston. Not at all. I simply think it's time to counter this absurd narrative that student-athletes are put-upon "employees" of schools raking in big profits on their backs. College football brings in a a lot of money, basketball some money--and nearly all of it is invested back into all the sports programs at universities--for facilities, travel, hotels, insurance, equipment, recruiting, uniforms, administrative costs, etc. etc--including all the non-revenue programs. Most major-college athletic departments lose money, in fact. This notion that student-athletes should be paid is nonsense. NIL is mostly corrupt nonsense as well, because it's not being regulated. If a company wants to use a student-athletes name, image, likeness in a legit way to market products, then, yes, of course, the athletes should be getting a deal. But schools shouldn't be bribing high-schoolers to sign with their programs with NIL deals--that should be outlawed. It's nothing but bribery. There should be no NIL deals until student-athletes are enrolled in college--and after that any NIL deals offered/signed should be monitored and scrutinized for legitimacy. Otherwise, they'll be corruption, which no doubt is going on already. It's time we put the word 'student' back into the term "student-athlete." We've let some money-grubbers push this narrative that student-athletes should be getting cash, and it's ridiculous.
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I would think fans would be more inclined to donate to Jackson or Key, players who actually elected to come back when they clearly didn't have/need to...
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Only on LVols forum will this jesture turn into a debate unbelievable lol
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Why we are at it, I think we need a thread on how terrible it is to give birthday gifts to children and why cute puppies really suck. I mean nothing can ever be "good" right?
 
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turbovol said:
I agree. Listen, anyone who feels a desire to give money to a graduating player, feel free. But activists have been pushing this notion for a decade that student-athletes are pour souls exploited by their schools for profits, blah, blah. It's all complete nonsense. Horston and every major-college BB player in America is getting a valuable college degree for free--plus free housing, free food, free health care, free tutoring, free counseling (if needed)--not to mention four years of coaching without which she would not be preparing to play professionally. Student-athletes are privileged---and keep in mind than most college students in America are incurring significant student debt to earn their degrees, which will take them years to pay off once they start their careers. They'd all kill to change places with student-athletes who are getting their college degrees at no cost along with all the other benefits, which if added up must value well in excess of $300,000, and that might be a conservative number.

I don't write this to suggest that people don't contribute to Horston. Not at all. I simply think it's time to counter this absurd narrative that student-athletes are put-upon "employees" of schools raking in big profits on their backs. College football brings in a a lot of money, basketball some money--and nearly all of it is invested back into all the sports programs at universities--for facilities, travel, hotels, insurance, equipment, recruiting, uniforms, administrative costs, etc. etc--including all the non-revenue programs. Most major-college athletic departments lose money, in fact. This notion that student-athletes should be paid is nonsense. NIL is mostly corrupt nonsense as well, because it's not being regulated. If a company wants to use a student-athletes name, image, likeness in a legit way to market products, then, yes, of course, the athletes should be getting a deal. But schools shouldn't be bribing high-schoolers to sign with their programs with NIL deals--that should be outlawed. It's nothing but bribery. There should be no NIL deals until student-athletes are enrolled in college--and after that any NIL deals offered/signed should be monitored and scrutinized for legitimacy. Otherwise, they'll be corruption, which no doubt is going on already. It's time we put the word 'student' back into the term "student-athlete." We've let some money-grubbers push this narrative that student-athletes should be getting cash, and it's ridiculous.
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Well, it ain't exactly free, Athletes put in many, many hours in season and off season to basically do a "job" which is functionally independent of their academic pursuits. They are recruited in a competitive market, where athletic talent is highly valued. They are not getting "free coaching" as though that is some magnanimous gift to the players -- rather coaching is part of the package that comes with the goal of having winning athletic programs and the "free health care" is correlated to the risk of injury that these athletes take on. In fact all students can get some reasonable degree of "free" health care and counseling through student health services, it just that athletes have to deal with a higher risk of concussions and other sports injuries (and programs have incentives to get them back on the playing field as soon as they can). Hence, they have expanded health care support.

The NCAA earns over a 1 billion dollars in revenue annually. Now, most of that money redistributed back to schools so i am not trying to demonize the NCAA. But the "radical activists" you so condemn are simply saying that the market value of these players is higher than a scholarship. One of the most conservative supreme courts in history agreed with the players' position and mandated that NCAA loosen up its strict restrictions on the ability of athletes to earn income from their NILs. None of this takes $ away from schools or the NCAA, it is all free market action from donors and business interests and the fact that players are getting big NILs says that, lo and behold, their market value is indeed higher than a scholarship. Is it really "radical activism" to support fair market valuations? If I have a skill and I choose to sell it to the person who will pay me the most, is that "bribery" or getting my market value?

Sure, there will be some corruption going on (in the sense of schools violating the current regulations on NILs) but surely you don't believe the old system was free of corruption do you?
 
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37620VOL said:
Been there, done that. No HS recruits signed, several lost to more $. Let's fix that by not paying outgoing players.
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My $30 for Jordy wasn't instead of my contribution to then general fund. It was just an additional thing I elected to do for my favorite player. Not every player has family money nor do all players have the so called desired looks or bubbly personalities that do the best on social media and hence the NIL world. I imagine that prospective recruits would be impressed that we don't just discard our players when they have finished their careers here. If you are implying that the general Boost Her fund is not big enough, that might be correct as it is still new and building itself. I agree that we should build it as big as possible. Those that can make that happen won't miss $30 of their money if their heart goes out to Jordy.
 
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Well my 30 dollars went to an 18 pack of Coors Light and some Cigars I guess I am selfish
 
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One other thing on "privileged college athletes" and NILs, most are not on full rides. In secondary sports, from soccer to swimming to track to cross country to gymnastics etc., programs split scholarships into halves and even quarters to support a full complement of athletes. And in Football, kids coming in to be the 3rd string offensive tackle or back-up kicker aren't getting full athletic scholarships but hope to get upgraded as they prove themselves over their careers. In mid majors, some programs can't fund their full scholarship allocation and so some scholarship splitting happens there to. If these kids can get a little NIL to cover their costs, more power to em'.
 
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madtownvol said:
One other thing on "privileged college athletes" and NILs, most are not on full rides. In secondary sports, from soccer to swimming to track to cross country to gymnastics etc., programs split scholarships into halves and even quarters to support a full complement of athletes. And in Football, kids coming in to be the 3rd string offensive tackle or back-up kicker aren't getting full athletic scholarships but hope to get upgraded as they prove themselves over their careers. In mid majors, some programs can't fund their full scholarship allocation and so some scholarship splitting happens there too. If these kids can get a little NIL to cover their costs, more power to em'.
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Sounds like the NCAA and those wanting NIL failed those you mentioned still paying their way. I’m all in for same scholarship for all-sports across the board.
 
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