Lady Vols Get Stomped!

#26
#26
Like Pat said, "this game was inexcusable"!

I'd say that practice will be a little rough today.
 
#28
#28
tntornadox said:
Pat sitting on the sidelines like a garden gnome didn't help either...
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She has a tendency when some games are getting out of hand to just let them play out. It seems that it helps her get the team to refocus and listen to what she's teaching them. There's a method to her madness
 
#29
#29
armchairvol said:
UT's real problem is that PS doesn't no how to coach team offense--never has, really. Many of her players NEVER develop offensively; and others actually lose offensive confidence over time and REGRESS, because she's always harping on defense and rebounding. Her teams NEVER pass the ball well, UT's ball movement is mediocre at best and her teams rarely shoot well as a team.

I'm down on PS because she does not know how to coach team offense--and because despite all the top players she gets, her teams rarely really play well together, I don't care how many titles she has. And let's be honest: She's got to be a more than a little burnt out by now! Now watch: She'll go out and win another title by winning four straight ncaa games in which her teams shoot 30 percent, averages 8 assists/16 turnovers, but prevail at the buzzer in all of them in ugly defensive struggles. That's her formula--and yea, it's worked--but it's an odd one for a team that's supposed to be loaded with talent every year.

PS cannot teach her teams to do that.
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In one post you are knocking PS as a coach (which makes me wonder why I'm even responding) and saying she will coach them to a NC.

<insert Billy Madison quote here>
 
#30
#30
armchairvol said:
PS has been a spotty coach for the last decade or so. I love her, truly, but her only true genius is at getting other teams to play less well than the Vols--she's a master of winning big games ugly. Great: Show me you can take a team of AAs and actually play a GOOD game once in a while! The Rutgers game was classic UT/PS: The teams shoots 29 percent, plays like the keystone kops in the second half and still wins! But it may be catching up with the LVs. Hornbuckle, a very talented player and athlete, has been an absolute NO-SHOW for three weeks. Early this year, she finally seemed to get that she needed to be more assertive offensively--take the ball to the hoop, shoot more, score more! Then, recently, she has done nothing. Bobbitt? She had ZERO assists against duke (yet of course the LVs still won). She's gutsy in the clutch, will take the 3 when needed, a fairly good defensive player--but she's not a very good point guard because she doesn't distribute the ball well.

UT's real problem is that PS doesn't no how to coach team offense--never has, really. Many of her players NEVER develop offensively; and others actually lose offensive confidence over time and REGRESS, because she's always harping on defense and rebounding. Her teams NEVER pass the ball well, UT's ball movement is mediocre at best and her teams rarely shoot well as a team.

She can win when she gets great players like Parker, but relies on them too much because she can't coach team offense. Watch other teams move and pass the ball and then watch UT. She hasn't had a good center in a decade--none of them EVER develop an offensive game. Robinson, Fluker, Anosike: all come in with potential and then...didly. Anosike has been an asset with her defense and rebounding--the two things that ps has obsessed over for 30 years but is clueless with the basketball.

I've watched the LV's for forever, but I'm down on PS because she does not know how to coach team offense--and because despite all the top players she gets, her teams rarely really play well together, I don't care how many titles she has. And let's be honest: She's got to be a more than a little burnt out by now! Now watch: She'll go out and win another title by winning four straight ncaa games in which her teams shoot 30 percent, averages 8 assists/16 turnovers, but prevail at the buzzer in all of them in ugly defensive struggles. That's her formula--and yea, it's worked--but it's an odd one for a team that's supposed to be loaded with talent every year.

That's my beef--play up to your talent. The LVs don't. She's //supposedly// got five/six HS AAs on the team, so why must the LVs depend on Parker to get 30 a game!! Better, if you've got talent, to have three or four players scoring 12 to 15--you're more balanced! You're also vulnerable to good teams when your offense consists of: Throw the ball to Parker and hope she can do something against a double-team. That's essentially the LV offense with Summitt--despite having a team full of supposed stars! This is why geno/ct has had success against ps over the years--he can coach team offense. Even when he had Taurasi, he was not all that dependent on her to score--she got everyone else involved. PS cannot teach her teams to do that.
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Remarkable that arm chair coaches know more than PS.
 
#31
#31
Is there is a power shift happening in the SEC? Van Chancellor seems to bring a new level of coaching to the SEC and it reared its head last night. His players played with extreme confidence on our court after being down 21 to 2. I would not want to be a Lady Vol at practice today.
Did anyone get the feeling Pat was planning practice toward the end of the game last night?
 
#32
#32
I work at UT and usually walk in the arena at lunch while the girls are practicing. I'll let you all know how bad the yelling is today if they are there. :eek:hmy:
 
#33
#33
jwells said:
They lost their intensity tonight. The game was closer than the score, but they really played poorly in the 2nd half and the last third of the first half. We couldn't crack that zone they ran, and we let them get us completely out of position for quick drives to the basket. They weren't intense at all. Settled for one-on-one matchups instead of moving the ball, and it got em beat. Bjorkland has got to score more than 5 points for us to win games like this.

I'll give it to LSU, they shot lights out, lots of hard shots. However, the easy drives we allowed were not acceptable. This should have been a blowout by us, but 12 minutes into the game, we let up and they came back.
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They have not been very intense the last 4 games. Call it big head or whatever. Piss poor offensive showings in the last halves of the last two games. Could lose to Vandy and should have lost to Rutgers not because of the Clock but because of the lack of intensity and desire.
 
#34
#34
TenTex said:
Is there is a power shift happening in the SEC? Van Chancellor seems to bring a new level of coaching to the SEC and it reared its head last night. His players played with extreme confidence on our court after being down 21 to 2. I would not want to be a Lady Vol at practice today.
Did anyone get the feeling Pat was planning practice toward the end of the game last night?
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He has scouted Pat Head Summit enough to know how to beat her. He probably has her number but will not fair as well against other unknown teams
 
#35
#35
HATINGBAMAISAWAYOFLIFE said:
2 pathetic back to back performances.
the ladies cannot go 12 minutes with scoring only 6 pts.
the guys can because they play D but the girls cant
they need someone to step up besides Candace..
Pat needs to coach them up.
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I wouldn't put the Men's D against the Women right now. Until the last 2 games, the Men allowed pretty much everyone to score at-will.
 
#36
#36
Sudden Impact said:
They have not been very intense the last 4 games. Call it big head or whatever. Piss poor offensive showings in the last halves of the last two games. Could lose to Vandy and should have lost to Rutgers not because of the Clock but because of the lack of intensity and desire.
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It happens every year. They start off by romping everyone, beating some highly ranked teams, then starting very strong in the SEC. Then they hit a lull, lose a game or two, and get a dose of reality. They then go into the tourny with a new intensity and do well.
 
#37
#37
Hey Armchairvol you know what you're right on about Coach Summitt. The best basketball coach - men or women - has suddenly forgot how to coach so maybe she should just go ahead and retire. Then UT could hire some really smart person to take over the program; maybe they could find an expert like you to take over the program and guide the LVs to greater heights. I'm sick of hearing people like you always wanting to blame the poor ole coach for all of a team's woes. Players have to be willing to stand up and accept some of the blame, coaches can only do so much then the players have to take charge. Players have to hustle, show pride in their team and truly care about what they are trying to accomplish. Lately some of the older LVs haven't demonstrated any of these traits and that certainly can't be laid at the feet of Coach Summitt.
 
#39
#39
armchairvol said:
PS has been a spotty coach for the last decade or so. I love her, truly, but her only true genius is at getting other teams to play less well than the Vols--she's a master of winning big games ugly. Great: Show me you can take a team of AAs and actually play a GOOD game once in a while! The Rutgers game was classic UT/PS: The teams shoots 29 percent, plays like the keystone kops in the second half and still wins! But it may be catching up with the LVs. Hornbuckle, a very talented player and athlete, has been an absolute NO-SHOW for three weeks. Early this year, she finally seemed to get that she needed to be more assertive offensively--take the ball to the hoop, shoot more, score more! Then, recently, she has done nothing. Bobbitt? She had ZERO assists against duke (yet of course the LVs still won). She's gutsy in the clutch, will take the 3 when needed, a fairly good defensive player--but she's not a very good point guard because she doesn't distribute the ball well.

UT's real problem is that PS doesn't no how to coach team offense--never has, really. Many of her players NEVER develop offensively; and others actually lose offensive confidence over time and REGRESS, because she's always harping on defense and rebounding. Her teams NEVER pass the ball well, UT's ball movement is mediocre at best and her teams rarely shoot well as a team.

She can win when she gets great players like Parker, but relies on them too much because she can't coach team offense. Watch other teams move and pass the ball and then watch UT. She hasn't had a good center in a decade--none of them EVER develop an offensive game. Robinson, Fluker, Anosike: all come in with potential and then...didly. Anosike has been an asset with her defense and rebounding--the two things that ps has obsessed over for 30 years but is clueless with the basketball.

I've watched the LV's for forever, but I'm down on PS because she does not know how to coach team offense--and because despite all the top players she gets, her teams rarely really play well together, I don't care how many titles she has. And let's be honest: She's got to be a more than a little burnt out by now! Now watch: She'll go out and win another title by winning four straight ncaa games in which her teams shoot 30 percent, averages 8 assists/16 turnovers, but prevail at the buzzer in all of them in ugly defensive struggles. That's her formula--and yea, it's worked--but it's an odd one for a team that's supposed to be loaded with talent every year.

That's my beef--play up to your talent. The LVs don't. She's //supposedly// got five/six HS AAs on the team, so why must the LVs depend on Parker to get 30 a game!! Better, if you've got talent, to have three or four players scoring 12 to 15--you're more balanced! You're also vulnerable to good teams when your offense consists of: Throw the ball to Parker and hope she can do something against a double-team. That's essentially the LV offense with Summitt--despite having a team full of supposed stars! This is why geno/ct has had success against ps over the years--he can coach team offense. Even when he had Taurasi, he was not all that dependent on her to score--she got everyone else involved. PS cannot teach her teams to do that.
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There's some good stuff in this post.

We have 4 upperclassmen in the starting lineup, and they have played with no control off and on all season. Pat says she needs this team to commit to playing 40 minutes, well if there is never a threat of "losing your job" to another kid on the bench, then why bust your butt for 40 minutes? Well LSU made them pay dearly for that mindset.
 
#40
#40
SMVTT said:
Hey Armchairvol you know what you're right on about Coach Summitt. The best basketball coach - men or women - has suddenly forgot how to coach so maybe she should just go ahead and retire. Then UT could hire some really smart person to take over the program; maybe they could find an expert like you to take over the program and guide the LVs to greater heights. I'm sick of hearing people like you always wanting to blame the poor ole coach for all of a team's woes. Players have to be willing to stand up and accept some of the blame, coaches can only do so much then the players have to take charge. Players have to hustle, show pride in their team and truly care about what they are trying to accomplish. Lately some of the older LVs haven't demonstrated any of these traits and that certainly can't be laid at the feet of Coach Summitt.
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When midget Bobbit got the technical for taunting against Rutgers and Coach called her on it, I was sorta taken aback about her reply when Coach got on her butt about it. She had a smartass answer and if I was the coach her ass would've been on the bench right then. However, Coach Summitt just walked away and that surprised me a lot.
 
#41
#41
Vols4life said:
Ok let me say that as long as LSU has Fowles there going to be good he is 6'6 and very intimidating I wish he would have choosen UT instead of LSU( we were his 2nd choice) but with that being said Angie has hit that thing we call a freshman wall she will bounce back the team is ok we remember it's a marathon not a sprint
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Fixed
 
#42
#42
Go ahead and run em to death Pat and maybe they will be too tired to play at Vanderbilt this Sunday.:crazy:

Tennessee always has trouble with LSU, especially when LSU wanted the game more as shown by their hustle. The Lady Vols looked (to borrow a term from John Majors) "Lackadaisical". I think everyone needs to step up and help Candice Parker out or we want even make the final four this year, even though we are defending champs.
 
#43
#43
Fwiw, I wouldn't be surprised if Smallbone & Baugh did not return next season......perhaps Fuller will stay but isn't she graduating this year as well as Parker?
 
#44
#44
Scenic City Vol said:
Fwiw, I wouldn't be surprised if Smallbone & Baugh did not return next season......perhaps Fuller will stay but isn't she graduating this year as well as Parker?
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Fuller said in a interview on scout a few weeks ago, that she was coming back for the 5th yr of eligibility. Smallbone can't get in the game, I too wouldn't be surprise if she leaves. The guards coming in next year are VERY good. Baugh, I dunno... Parker has been working with her (according to what CP has said in interviews, but I don't know how much. Anosike yells at the freshies in practice, but I think it's best she leads by example in games, which isn't always the case.
 
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