Lady Vols - Turnovers Again

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The Lady Vols lost to West Virginia in overtime after having 20 turnovers in the game with West Virginia converting those turnovers to 19 points!!! It was turnovers last year and so far it is turnovers again this year. Coach Harper so far has done absolutely nothing that shows to stop the turnovers. She should apply the Rick Barnes turnover actions...if a player has a turnover, he has to run all the way from the playing court to the top of the arena and back. After a few trips, it becomes important to the players to not have a turnover. The teams of Coach Barnes usually has around 8 to 9 turnovers per game. Surely Coach Harper is going to have to do something to stop the turnovers or the Lady Vols will be losing more games that they could have won with less turnovers.
 
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The team doesn’t value the basketball. The hard truth. And it manifests itself in risky passes, traveling, indecision, charges, stepping out of bounds. This team finds every way to turn over the ball in every game. It’s systemic. Also, their offensive flow and timing are off and that contributes to several turnovers.
 
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Those of you complaining of turnovers have either never played, never coached or both! If you did, you know turnovers are apart of the game. The things that matter are the type of turnovers and the times that they are happening.

Are the live ball or dead ball? Was it in transition trying to make a play or in the half court force feeding a particular player? How many points does the other team get from them?

Long story short, these are people not robots. They will make mistakes. Its the ones at the end of regulation that we need to clean up the most. Those are the ones that cost wins.
 
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mikey2smart said:
Those of you complaining of turnovers have either never played, never coached or both! If you did, you know turnovers are apart of the game. The things that matter are the type of turnovers and the times that they are happening.

Are the live ball or dead ball? Was it in transition trying to make a play or in the half court force feeding a particular player? How many points does the other team get from them?

Long story short, these are people not robots. They will make mistakes. Its the ones at the end of regulation that we need to clean up the most. Those are the ones that cost wins.
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It’s not about turnovers being statistically tracked. It’s about the high number of them every game that often limit the number of shots we get up, halt momentum, etc. It’s not an aberration. It’s a troubling trend and the coach herself openly admits turnovers are an issue and something the staff are actively working to limit.
 
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NoBackBoard said:
It’s not about turnovers being statistically tracked. It’s about the high number of them every game that often limit the number of shots we get up, halt momentum, etc. It’s not an aberration. It’s a troubling trend and the coach herself openly admits turnovers are an issue and something the staff are actively working to limit.
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Its also the fact we always make a whole lot more turnovers than the team that beats us. That's an unfortunate trend.
 
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37620VOL said:
@mikey2smart

I don't think you played or you would know that turnovers and all wasted possessions are unacceptable.
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Agree, it’s discipline and valuing each possession and not to repeat the same mistakes that plagued this team last year. It’s early though, so hopefully they’ll turn it around
 
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mikey2smart said:
Those of you complaining of turnovers have either never played, never coached or both! If you did, you know turnovers are apart of the game. The things that matter are the type of turnovers and the times that they are happening.

Are the live ball or dead ball? Was it in transition trying to make a play or in the half court force feeding a particular player? How many points does the other team get from them?

Long story short, these are people not robots. They will make mistakes. Its the ones at the end of regulation that we need to clean up the most. Those are the ones that cost wins.
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Most of them are lazy careless mistakes
 
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IMO, the turnovers are a combo of indecision, bad decision, players with really poor hands, and a few careless, such as stepping on the baseline in the potential game winning sequence. A sharper offense, a tighter, more coherent rotation, and experience for the new players should help alot. If we're still turning it over at this clip at midseason, this is a coaching issue.
 
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Spook1 said:
The Lady Vols lost to West Virginia in overtime after having 20 turnovers in the game with West Virginia converting those turnovers to 19 points!!! It was turnovers last year and so far it is turnovers again this year. Coach Harper so far has done absolutely nothing that shows to stop the turnovers. She should apply the Rick Barnes turnover actions...if a player has a turnover, he has to run all the way from the playing court to the top of the arena and back. After a few trips, it becomes important to the players to not have a turnover. The teams of Coach Barnes usually has around 8 to 9 turnovers per game. Surely Coach Harper is going to have to do something to stop the turnovers or the Lady Vols will be losing more games that they could have won with less turnovers.
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The boys averaged 13.6 turnovers per game last year and the opponents scored 14+ points per game off those mistakes. Where did you come up with 8 or 9? Maybe they didn't run enough stairs?
 
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NoBackBoard said:
The team doesn’t value the basketball. The hard truth. And it manifests itself in risky passes, traveling, indecision, charges, stepping out of bounds. This team finds every way to turn over the ball in every game. It’s systemic. Also, their offensive flow and timing are off and that contributes to several turnovers.
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That’s called Low Basketball IQ! A trademark of Lady Vol teams over the last few years.
 
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mikey2smart said:
Those of you complaining of turnovers have either never played, never coached or both! If you did, you know turnovers are apart of the game. The things that matter are the type of turnovers and the times that they are happening.

Are the live ball or dead ball? Was it in transition trying to make a play or in the half court force feeding a particular player? How many points does the other team get from them?

Long story short, these are people not robots. They will make mistakes. Its the ones at the end of regulation that we need to clean up the most. Those are the ones that cost wins.
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I believe the most casual fan realizes turnovers are a part of the game. So aren't missed free throws. I suppose you like those also? If you continue to point out the obvious, perhaps you should change you handle to not2smart. (sorry but I couldn't pass that one up.)
 
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At this rate Hollie should be up for an extension at the end of the year from our brilliant AD.
 
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Majac said:
The boys averaged 13.6 turnovers per game last year and the opponents scored 14+ points per game off those mistakes. Where did you come up with 8 or 9? Maybe they didn't run enough stairs?
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LOL welcome to 2020 where spewage requires absolutely no basis in fact! The Punishers come out after every high t.o. game, which admitedly is about every game, and insist if we just ran them more, worked them harder, shamed them publically, spit in their cheerios, they would DECIDE to quit making t.o.s. Naughty, naughty girls, who chose to make mistakes on TV, well, just because, I guess.

I never understand that mentality.
 
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I believe the turnovers will be a problem this whole year and the only relief will be coming by way of Brooklynn (Miles). The root of the problem is the majority of the team are better suited to play the 2/3/4 than the point. In the women's game the most important offensive player on the floor is the point guard. It looks like there are going to be many transfers over the summer. KJH should see if she can track down a quality point with experience.
 
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NeedOrange said:
I believe the turnovers will be a problem this whole year and the only relief will be coming by way of Brooklynn (Miles). The root of the problem is the majority of the team are better suited to play the 2/3/4 than the point. In the women's game the most important offensive player on the floor is the point guard. It looks like there are going to be many transfers over the summer. KJH should see if she can track down a quality point with experience.
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3-star freshman PG Miles isn't coming in and fixing turnover problems on Day 1...unless all of the recruiting services got her wrong and she's really a top 5 player. We'll see how Walker does against the Texas guards, but I have a feeling that it will have to be Horston that carries the team at PG.

Horston, Burrell, Davis, Green (or Suarez), and Key needs to be the starting 5, with KK and Walker making a tight 8 player rotation. Salary should only be used if someone is in foul trouble (or a blowout). There's really no reason that Saunders, McCoy or Rennie should be seeing court time in anything but a blowout (probably true for Derby too).

As others have said, Kellie needs to start her best 5 and ride them to the wins. This balanced minutes experiment will not work against any halfway decent team.
 
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