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[Velo Vol]

If the potential concerns include antibody dependent enhancement, autoimmune conditions, fertility effects, and malignancy, it could take many years or even decades to determine.

So you don't prescribe any drugs that are not at least 20 years old?

 

[volinbham]

So you don't prescribe any drugs that are not at least 20 years old?

drugs are to treat an existing condition so there's the known downside of the condition vs the unknown risks of the treatment

vaccines are to prevent or minimize a condition the recipient may never contract and whose risk if contracted is unknown.

experimental chemo for Stage 4 cancer? bring it on.

vaccine for kid with small chance of catching Covid and nearly 100% chance of surviving if they do? totally different risk calculus

 

[volinbham]

I'll add that part of the testing done to get full FDA approval involves dosage considerations and fine tuning conditions for use. I've heard some docs suggesting that kids should only get one dose vs two given the amount of protection one dose conveys vs risk.

large scale testing is designed to fine tune - we just aren't there yet.

personally I think all adults (given they don't have certain medical conditions) should get the vaccine but pretending that it is fully vetted after about 8 months of use and truncated clinical trials is simply not following the science.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Stop overreacting to the words of an irrelevant CNN doctor and stop buying in to every piece of vaccine fear porn you come across.

Cases have been filed and are working through court systems. Biggest is Houston hospital system that 18 employees are suing, I’m not sure what they are claiming or asking for in the way of relief, I’ll have to look it up.

 

[Velo Vol]

It's not like the drug companies brewed the greatest quack hits from 1880 to make this vaccine. We've been working on mRNA vaccines for decades.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

So you don't prescribe any drugs that are not at least 20 years old?

I think he’s just saying we don’t know what we don’t know. We may not know it for 20 years.

 

[LouderVol]

It's not like the drug companies brewed the greatest quack hits from 1880 to make this vaccine. We've been working on mRNA vaccines for decades.

By the same reasoning we have been working on traditional vaccines for centuries, so clearly the traditional Covid (j&j) are far ahead their mRNA counterparts.

 

[kiddiedoc]

So you don't prescribe any drugs that are not at least 20 years old?

Gosh, probably not, at least in the same family. I'll have to do some digging ...

For example, the most recent vaccine addition to our schedule was HPV, and trials started in the late 90s before full FDA approval in 2006. The fastest vaccine development and approval was 4 years for mumps.

I'm certain that our commonly-used antibiotics, ear and eye gtts, inhalers, steroid and acne creams, pain relievers, antihypertensives, reflux meds, ADHD stimulants (in short-acting forms), anticonvulsants, antihistamines + Singular, statins/lipid drugs, and diabetes meds have all been around for at least 20 years.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Cases have been filed and are working through court systems. Biggest is Houston hospital system that 18 employees are suing, I’m not sure what they are claiming or asking for in the way of relief, I’ll have to look it up.

I suppose I should have been more clear. When I said "vaccine fear porn" in response to Ras, I was pointing towards fear of forced vaccinations. Not sure how many of his recent posts you've seen, but he's completely lost his mind over this.

 

[kiddiedoc]

It's not like the drug companies brewed the greatest quack hits from 1880 to make this vaccine. We've been working on mRNA vaccines for decades.

Do bear in mind that animal trials of mRNA vaccines have had a number of negative outcomes, and plenty of scientists and physicians with experience in the field have voiced serious concerns.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I suppose I should have been more clear. When I said "vaccine fear porn" in response to Ras, I was pointing towards fear of forced vaccinations. Not sure how many of his recent posts you've seen, but he's completely lost his mind over this.

Just recently got hired and their stance was no vaccine... huh. Well we can’t test you then. It wasn’t a big deal.
No rona cases in 2 weeks yet our county is reporting cases hospitalized that are magically hidden somewhere. They aren’t in our icu or step down units. They aren’t in the naval hospital in that county. I know the reporting is incorrect yet no one can explain where these cases are.
I expected test cases to come out with some health systems and corporations testing the line of no vax/ no job. I wasn’t disappointed, it is much fewer than I expected though.

 

[volinbham]

It's not like the drug companies brewed the greatest quack hits from 1880 to make this vaccine. We've been working on mRNA vaccines for decades.

Look at any number of drugs that received full FDA approval only later to have been found to have problems - I'm guessing all were developed using good intentions and sound science.

Acting like there can be no risks (known and unknown) with vaccines developed in record time is being naive at best.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I suppose I should have been more clear. When I said "vaccine fear porn" in response to Ras, I was pointing towards fear of forced vaccinations. Not sure how many of his recent posts you've seen, but he's completely lost his mind over this.

Federal Court Upholds Employer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Mandate
This is the case I was referencing. Slightly more plaintiffs than I stated.

 

[0nelilreb]

Look at any number of drugs that received full FDA approval only later to have been found to have problems - I'm guessing all were developed using good intentions and sound science.

Acting like there can be no risks (known and unknown) with vaccines developed in record time is being naive at best.

Velo is seems to be asking questions that any adult with understanding should already know . I can’t figure out if it’s to stimulate different responses or a desire to believe the government/ experts/ big pharma when they tell us that this vaccine is perfectly safe without having any medium or long term studies to back those claims up . For me it comes down to , do I believe that our government and big pharma are willing to take a chance and push an unknown product to the public for political reasons or profit and accept the risks that can’t possibly be known for decades and they will most likely never be held responsible for or at at a maximum be forced to settle some class action lawsuits out of court down the road .

 

[volinbham]

I'm not making any claims that pharma or the government are doing any thing wrong.

I am saying that at this point we do not know if there will be any long term health impacts of these new vaccines. The data simply hasn't (can't be) been collected yet. Any impacts may be far outweighed by the benefits but it's entirely reasonable to acknowledge we do not know at this point.

 

[0nelilreb]

I'm not making any claims that pharma or the government are doing any thing wrong.

I am saying that at this point we do not know if there will be any long term health impacts of these new vaccines. The data simply hasn't (can't be) been collected yet. Any impacts may be far outweighed by the benefits but it's entirely reasonable to acknowledge we do not know at this point.

Yes that’s absolutely what it boils down to . My problem is when either of those two says.. “ you can trust us “ . No , No I can’t and I’d be stupid not to question their motives .

 

[MAD]

It's not like the drug companies brewed the greatest quack hits from 1880 to make this vaccine. We've been working on mRNA vaccines for decades.

How dare you disrespect the people who know more than doctors and scientists.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I suppose I should have been more clear. When I said "vaccine fear porn" in response to Ras, I was pointing towards fear of forced vaccinations. Not sure how many of his recent posts you've seen, but he's completely lost his mind over this.

That isn't fear porn. They are talking about it as if it is an option on the table.

 

[0nelilreb]

How dare you disrespect the people who know more than doctors and scientists.

At this point in time , as it pertains to the data and studies on medium and long term side effects this vaccine has on anyone’s body … you know as much about it as any Dr. or Expert , government official , big pharma lab or a CEO from a hospital .

 

[MAD]

At this point in time , as it pertains to the data and studies on medium and long term side effects this vaccine has on anyone’s body … you know as much about it as any Dr. or Expert , government official , big pharma lab or a CEO from a hospital .

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Is France's summer over already? Just three days after opening the country's nightclubs, President Macron will address the nation to announce new Covid rules

Just three days after France threw open its nightclubs' doors for the first time in 16 months, President Emmanuel Macron is expected to announce new Covid-19 rules.

It seemed the country was taking a step towards returning to a pre-pandemic normal just in time for summer, but the delta variant has now started driving infection rates up across Europe.

Amid fears of a peak in infections, President Macron, 43, hosted a top-level Covid security meeting on Monday morning and is set to give a televised speech in the evening.

He is expected to announce plans for a law requiring health care workers to get vaccinated, and people may require special Covid-19 passes for restaurants or other day-to-day activities.

Just three days after France threw open its nightclubs' doors (pictured on July 9) for the first time in 16 months, President Emmanuel Macron is expected to announce new Covid-19 rules

Covid France: Three days after opening nightclubs, President Macron will announce new rules | Daily Mail Online

 

[kiddiedoc]

I can tell you with certainty that this is not an accurate statement.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

COVID vaccine is essential when preparing for hurricane season, according to CDC

 

[MAD]

I can tell you with certainty that this is not an accurate statement.

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

 

[volinbham]

How dare you disrespect the people who know more than doctors and scientists.

Velo is suggesting the mRNA vaccines are proven safe with no longer term negative impacts - no doctor or scientist would accept that as truth. The data does not exist to support that claim. Suggesting other words is being at odds with science.