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volinbham said:
but the question was does a DL prove you are old enough to buy alcohol - indeed it does

a vaccination card does not prove you are safe to travel and we have recent evidence of this. In addition, it only addresses on health condition related to safeness to travel. Someone with TB shouldn't be traveling but the vaccine card offers zero proof that they are safe to travel.
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The DL proves you're old enough, not that you should be buying alcohol or that you are more responsible than a 20 year old wishing to purchase alcohol. It's just the best arbitrary line that society could draw. (one with which I disagree)
The best arbitrary line that can be drawn now regarding safe travel is proof of vaccine. No one is nutty enough to claim it is a perfect line.
A DL proves you meet the flawed and arbitrary legal alcohol purchase line.
A vaccination card proves you meet the flawed and arbitrary unrestricted travel line.

Neither are great, but both are the best that society can currently demand.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
A legal driver's license is a method of verification of one's age, and thus proves they are able to buy alcohol.

A legal vaccine card verifies one's vaccination status and proves they are safe to travel.
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Just because you have a vaccine doesn’t mean you don’t have the virus and won’t spread it to others.
 
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luthervol said:
The DL proves you're old enough, not that you should be buying alcohol or that you are more responsible than a 20 year old wishing to purchase alcohol. It's just the best arbitrary line that society could draw. (one with which I disagree)
The best arbitrary line that can be drawn now regarding safe travel is proof of vaccine. No one is nutty enough to claim it is a perfect line.
A DL proves you meet the flawed and arbitrary legal alcohol purchase line.
A vaccination card proves you meet the flawed and arbitrary unrestricted travel line.

Neither are great, but both are the best that society can currently demand.
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what started this was a DL proving you are old enough to do "x". It absolutely proves that.

the apt analogy would be that the vaccination card proves you have been vaccinated.

Notice one documents the criteria (age) of the situation while the other is a proxy (and one with proven flaws) measure for something else.

A better analogy would be the vaccination card proves you are safe to travel like a college degree proves you are smart - both are proxies for something else but the age on your DL is an actual representation of your age.

to make the closer link a Covid test prior to traveling would be a way to show you are safe from Covid just as the age on your DL shows you are a certain age.
 
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The standards for going to HI without having to quarantine is much like TSA security checks, pure theater for the masses to make them feel safe. In no way does being vaccinated ensure a person isn’t carrying COVID into the state and neither does a negative test no more than 72 hours before arrival.
 
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volinbham said:
what started this was a DL proving you are old enough to do "x". It absolutely proves that.

the apt analogy would be that the vaccination card proves you have been vaccinated.

Notice one documents the criteria (age) of the situation while the other is a proxy (and one with proven flaws) measure for something else.

A better analogy would be the vaccination card proves you are safe to travel like a college degree proves you are smart - both are proxies for something else but the age on your DL is an actual representation of your age.

to make the closer link a Covid test prior to traveling would be a way to show you are safe from Covid just as the age on your DL shows you are a certain age.
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And that's exactly what a vaccination card proves......that you've been vaccinated, it absolutely documents the criteria.
If the criteria that allows you to freely travel is a vaccination, then the vaccination card proves absolutely that.
If a college degree is required to apply for a certain job, then a college diploma absolutely proves that.
You can debate if they are valid requirements (just as with the age requirement for buying alcohol), but you can' debate whether or not the card documents the criteria.

But we're starting to talk in circles.
 
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hog88 said:
The standards for going to HI without having to quarantine is much like TSA security checks, pure theater for the masses to make them feel safe. In no way does being vaccinated ensure a person isn’t carrying COVID into the state and neither does a negative test no more than 72 hours before arrival.
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But they both significantly increase the odds.......and that appears to be the desired compromise.
 
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luthervol said:
And that's exactly what a vaccination card proves......that you've been vaccinated, it absolutely documents the criteria.
If the criteria that allows you to freely travel is a vaccination, then the vaccination card proves absolutely that.
If a college degree is required to apply for a certain job, then a college diploma absolutely proves that.
You can debate if they are valid requirements (just as with the age requirement for buying alcohol), but you can' debate whether or not the card documents the criteria.

But we're starting to talk in circles.
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you are talking in circles to defend a poor analogy
 
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volinbham said:
I'm betting none of those scientific papers refer to Ivermectin as "taking a horse dewormer" as several of our esteemed colleagues are want to do.
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I call it that as I struggle at remembering how to spell Ivermectin.

But seriously. Only a moron would go to the co/op and buy the horse med and take it. It’s just as moronic to think the drug prescribed by a Dr and picked up at a pharmacy is horse deworming meds.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I call it that as I struggle at remembering how to spell Ivermectin.

But seriously. Only a moron would go to the co/op and buy the horse med and take it. It’s just as moronic to think the drug prescribed by a Dr and picked up at a pharmacy is horse deworming meds.
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A moron? Interesting....
 
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