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Orangeburst said:
Would this mean if you have no symptoms the virus inside you dies over time, or could it be like HIV?
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I bet it’s more like HIV, especially if Dr.s already noticed some shared characteristics. What if this is an airborne and much more aggressive version of it?
 
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Getting back to that cruise ship in Japan, is there any medical sense to keep people on it? More cases were confirmed on the ship today included a Japanese health ministry official. The virus there is spreading like wildfire.
 
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luthervol said:
I saw what started this, you tagged me saying that you were curious how I felt.
You have yet to see me condone or condemn China's responses. I'm confident they have done things that I would agree with and done other things with which I would disagree.
My point is simply this, if you support the quarantining of the passengers on the plane or the cruise ship off of the coast (which pretty much everyone does), then you acknowledge that there is a line where the safety of the many is outweighed by the rights of the individual.
Once we acknowledge that there is a line (which there must be), then the conversation can move to where to place the line. This virus is the perfect example.
I don't believe that innocent people should be grabbed off of the street and thrown into metal containers.
I don't believe a person known to be contagious should be allowed to walk freely on the streets.
The line lies somewhere between those two extremes.

Individuals have the obligation to at times, join as a group to protect other or even all individuals.
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No I dont. I believe those people on the train or ship have voluntarily given up their right temporarily by engaging in a voluntary action. I expect them to follow whatever rules the ship or airplane operator has. Because they knowingly put themselves in that situation.

Someone walking down the street hasnt engaged in that level interaction.
 
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Burhead said:
Getting back to that cruise ship in Japan, is there any medical sense to keep people on it? More cases were confirmed on the ship today included a Japanese health ministry official. The virus there is spreading like wildfire.
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There is overwhelming "medical sense" to keep people quarantined on that ship. The cruise ship has not been utilizing the proper masks until today likely because they simply didn't have them or weren't given the right masks. That's only a minor problem as experts will tell you that hand sanitizer is far more effective at preventing spread than attempting to wear a mask. They are apparently letting passengers out to roam the decks who are in rooms with no windows once every 4 days to get air and sun and possibly some small piece of mind I suppose. This obviously breaks quarantine on the ship but it doesn't break quarantine from ship to land. As you just said more and more cases are testing positive daily.

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This one in this link says they have nobody sick but has tried to port 5 different times and countries are refusing. Said they are about to run out of food.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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Once they declare an emergency the closest country to the ship will be obligated to assist. If I were on that ship I sure as hell wouldn't want them to declare an emergency while near China.

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200 Georgia residents being monitored for possible deadly China coronavirus
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200 Georgian people expected to self quarantine for 2 weeks. I have the utmost faith in those people following through.

 
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lawgator1 said:
Has there been any more news on level of contagiousness prior to symptoms? That a huge problem because you could have person A with no symptoms spread it to B and C, who give it to D, E, F, G, H, I, who give it to L through Z. And maybe all before A gets sick, making it impossible to track and contain.
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That is exactly the problem. Makes tracking transmission extremely difficult.
 
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Coug said:
Response to alleged 24 day incubation period: "...the proportion of people with the really long incubation periods will be very small."

expert reaction to preprint on the incubation period of the novel coronavirus | Science Media Centre

Response to alleged HIV tie in to the virus: Basically, It was poor reporting. Nothing to see here.



No, The Wuhan Coronavirus Was Not Genetically Engineered To Put Pieces Of HIV In It
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The articles been pulled by the publisher. Many of the comments from microbiologists on the site questioned many things that are important to prove to publish such findings. They said they will rewrite and republish.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
The articles been pulled by the publisher. Many of the comments from microbiologists on the site questioned many things that are important to prove to publish such findings. They said they will rewrite and republish.
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Yes, the original article alleging virus manipulation posted to the bioRxiv server was pulled.
 
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davethevol said:
Let’s hope.
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I hear ya. The doctors there say they are virus free and need to be getting on w/their lives.
If they were not good to go the doctors would not release them out of their rooms.
Fox News just reported that 195 people were released Tuesday from a holding area (base) in California.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
First American coronavirus evacuees released from quarantine

Those being released pose no health risks as they go home or wherever their destination is.
These people do not have the coronavirus & should be welcomed back into their communities.
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I’m just not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about that based on the most recent reports coming out concerning the length of asymptomatic incubation and the presentation of multiple false negative test results that an individual can have before finally popping as testing positive.

So the CDC has given you an all clear and sent you on your merry way. If you’ve resumed your normal life interacting with the general population and in 10 days or so start feeling ill will you now just think you’ve picked up a normal cold because the CDC previously cleared you of WuFlu?🤔
 
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DynaLo said:
I’m just not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about that based on the most recent reports coming out concerning the length of asymptomatic incubation and the presentation of multiple false negative test results that an individual can have before finally popping as testing positive.

So the CDC has given you an all clear and sent you on your merry way. If you’ve resumed your normal life interacting with the general population and in 10 days or so start feeling ill will you now just think you’ve picked up a normal cold because the CDC previously cleared you of WuFlu?🤔
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Also consider the CDC still performs all the tests and one person tested negative that actually had it. My concern is that if this is a bioweapon that was spliced with HIV, it might take months before the virus is detectable. The rumors of it taking over 20 something days certainly give pause for concern. With HIV, it usually takes anywhere from 2 to 6 months and up to a year in some cases before it can be detected.
 
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davethevol said:
Also consider the CDC still performs all the tests and one person tested negative that actually had it. My concern is that if this is a bioweapon that was spliced with HIV, it might take months before the virus is detectable. The rumors of it taking over 20 something days certainly give pause for concern. With HIV, it usually takes anywhere from 2 to 6 months and up to a year in some cases before it can be detected.
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IF, and that’s a really big if, it were lab created using aspects of HIV I think they would have separated out and used the cellular entry points and bonding agents associated with HIV to increase the contagion factors involved with this virus. If you’re creating a bio-weapon you’d want it to spread easily and quickly to as many people as possible before medical science can get wrapped around testing and halting its spread.

While the new reports of the additional timeframes associated with the incubation period are a sit up and take notice issue regarding possible hidden/unknown spreading, I really don’t see how it could possibly lay undetected for months like HIV, just based on the type of virus this is and how it attacks the body.
 
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