Lethal combination of drugs found in Aaron Douglas' body

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Orange_Crush said:
Falling back to spelling ability is the last ploy of someone who has had their proverbial cheeks handed to them. But I will try to do better in the future. With that said, I'm not sure that a correct spelling would have made a lot of difference, considering my suspicion that you either choose not to read what I write, or have a very serious learning disability.


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Then why is it that nobody -- and I repeat nobody -- has been persuaded by your line of reasoning.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I was not dismissing the difference. I was pointing out that conviction was not a part of the criteria that you, yourself, set up. Remember? It was about laws, on books? I provided that.

You seem to have this overpowering need to misdirect, kid.



Um, obviously Drs and pharmacists that prescribed and filled in an appropriate manner. That was my whole point Einstein. You stated that whether the drugs were illegal or not had absolutely no bearing on the case. I proved differently.


Your inability to follow a discussion is striking. I provided a distinction above, for the 10th time! Do you just refuse to read, or do you have a learning disability?


You're right. That sounds a lot like the position that I have stated specifically and clearly in multiple posts, but which you still said was untenable, irrational and indefensible. Yet again, you prove a striking inability to follow clear points, even when they are repeatedly stated in an a+b=c format.

Except, I opened it up to "any illegal" prescription, like the links I posted, and specifically, the law on the books that I linked to.



No. I don't. Try to keep up with your own criteria. I quoted a specific law on the books that parallels my position exactly. I can think of a very recent, and very public case that proves that conviction is not the greatest test for how well US law is applied.



Or, you could read the law that I've posted twice already that makes no mention of "should-have-known". It just states that the criteria is "felony violation" involving delivery--. i.e. illegal delivery. Just like I stated.

For the THIRD time, kid...

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Although the Meeks case is an unusual one, a subsection of the Arkansas Code Annotated which deals with homicides states that a capital murder charge is supported if a person acting alone or with one or more other persons “commits or attempts to commit a felony violation of the Uniformed Controlled Substances Act (defined in A.C.A. Section 5-64-101 through 5-64-508) involving an actual delivery of a controlled substance."




Thanks for clearing that up.


I've already stated on multiple occasions that is he obtained his drugs by legitimate means, he bears sole responsibility. Do you actually bother to read, or do you have a learning disability?



I've already written two clarifications and stated that when I wrote that, I did not know what was in his system. Also, the fact that my original statements were centered on "illegal\irresponsible delivery of drugs and "drug dealers", a person of even below average intelligence probably should have been able to comprehend that, even without the two clarifications that followed.

So, I ask again, do you actually read, or do you have a learning disability?


I've answered this twice that I had not. Do you actually read, or do you have a learning disability?


Falling back to spelling ability is the last ploy of someone who has had their proverbial cheeks handed to them. But I will try to do better in the future. With that said, I'm not sure that a correct spelling would have made a lot of difference, considering my suspicion that you either choose not to read what I write, or have a very serious learning disability.



Perhaps. But, and I repeat yet again... When there are laws on the books that describe both charge and sentence in cases where a person ODs because someone distributed drugs to them illegally, your distinction is misplaced.

When your criteria for my point was-- how did you put it...? Laws on the books of any civilized society? Your distinction is misplaced...
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How about this: I will concede that the "civilized society" comment was a touch overstated for rhetorical purposes and that I knew it was overstated when I wrote it.

That said, the general framework of substantive criminal law and the federal rules of evidence (which most state rules of evidence are modeled after) are set up so that people go to jail for specific bad acts that they intend to do and not for generally being bad people (See: mens rea requirement; Federal Rule of Evidence rule 404; and other stuff too). I believe that laws (be they (1) hypothetical laws discussed on message boards or (2) actual laws in uncivilized, civilized, or semi-civilized (read: arkansas) societies) that trend away from that general requirement -- and this is essentially what you are advocating for; and why we disagree at a fundamental level -- are rooted not in sound logic but rather are likely born out of political obsequiousness* and are especially problematic when mixed in with misplaced prosecutorial overzealousness (which could be rooted in political ambitions, or could simply be the result of a small or non-functioning penis).

P.S. -- It was not my original intent to write a sentence that long, or hit for the cycle with punctuation marks.

KB

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*Probably not an actual word, and even if it were an actual word, it wouldn't be the word I'm really looking for. I'll take any suggestions on a word that encapsulates the idea of a politician passing a law to appease the knee-jerk screams of the masses.**
**I can name very few politicians who have won on a platform of removing laws. This why there are lots and lots of laws on the books, and why prosecutorial overzealousness can be a real evil.
 
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kidbourbon said:
1. I think the argument has run its course. I'm done, at least.
2. I've never seen a "no homo" tossed out for someone else, but I do appreciate it.
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It's most definitely run its course. I'm finally down to just writing it off to a 5-page misunderstanding, lol...

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Next stop...?

The Middle East...'cept I gotta different idea for that....


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Arrest made in death of Alabama football player Aaron Douglas

F ernandina Beach Police made an arrest in the death of an Alabama offensive lineman. Douglas was found dead May 12 after a house party in the beach community. Police allege that the late Alabama football player was provided methadone by Rodney Young Odum, a taxicab driver. Odum was charged with manslaughter and sale/delivery of a controlled substance.

According to a statement released by police, “Detectives have learned that Douglas obtained transportation to the open house party from a local cab service and that the taxi cab driver, Rodney Young Odum, gave or sold prescription medication, specifically two Methadone pills, to Douglas during the cab ride. The Medical Examiner’s Office has determined that the cause of death was multiple drug toxicity and that the Methadone alone was sufficient enough to cause death, while no other combination would have likely caused death. The Medical Examiner’s toxicology report revealed trace amounts of Carisoprodol, Diazepam, Meprobamate, Nordiazepam, Oxycodone, and Cannabinoids.”

Police have filed other charges related to the Douglas’ case. In late June, four residents of the home where the house party was held were charged “with allowing an open house party wherein at least sixteen (16) persons under the age of twenty-one (21) were known to be present and allowed to consume alcoholic beverages and / or narcotics by those in control of the residence.”


Alabama football coach Nick Saban responded to news of the arrest at his Tuesday press conference. Saban expressed hope that this type of behavior can be “cracked down” in a way that would eliminate this type of problem from happening to other young people.

“Nothing can erase the pain of what happened with Aaron,” Saban said. “It was tough on our team when you lose a comrade and lose someone that’s a part of your team. Certainly, I think that at least now the person who did the wrongdoing is being held accountable for it, which is a positive thing. But nothing can really make that wrong right. It is good that maybe this person will be convicted and not be able to do this type of stuff to other young people. I’m hopeful that we could crackdown on this in all areas.”

Police expressed hope that the arrest sends a message, “The victim clearly shares some responsibility for the reckless behavior that took his life. However, Mr. Odum reportedly had a reputation as a mobile drug dealer, making it very easy for the victim to locate and ingest the drugs that killed him. Although it is often difficult to pursue criminal charges in cases involving drug overdoses, this case provides us the ability to send a clear message that we intend to prosecute those that openly dispense dangerous drugs in our community whenever possible.”
 
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orangepit said:
Arrest made in death of Alabama football player Aaron Douglas

F ernandina Beach Police made an arrest in the death of an Alabama offensive lineman. Douglas was found dead May 12 after a house party in the beach community. Police allege that the late Alabama football player was provided methadone by Rodney Young Odum, a taxicab driver. Odum was charged with manslaughter and sale/delivery of a controlled substance.

According to a statement released by police, “Detectives have learned that Douglas obtained transportation to the open house party from a local cab service and that the taxi cab driver, Rodney Young Odum, gave or sold prescription medication, specifically two Methadone pills, to Douglas during the cab ride. The Medical Examiner’s Office has determined that the cause of death was multiple drug toxicity and that the Methadone alone was sufficient enough to cause death, while no other combination would have likely caused death. The Medical Examiner’s toxicology report revealed trace amounts of Carisoprodol, Diazepam, Meprobamate, Nordiazepam, Oxycodone, and Cannabinoids.”

Police have filed other charges related to the Douglas’ case. In late June, four residents of the home where the house party was held were charged “with allowing an open house party wherein at least sixteen (16) persons under the age of twenty-one (21) were known to be present and allowed to consume alcoholic beverages and / or narcotics by those in control of the residence.”


Alabama football coach Nick Saban responded to news of the arrest at his Tuesday press conference. Saban expressed hope that this type of behavior can be “cracked down” in a way that would eliminate this type of problem from happening to other young people.

“Nothing can erase the pain of what happened with Aaron,” Saban said. “It was tough on our team when you lose a comrade and lose someone that’s a part of your team. Certainly, I think that at least now the person who did the wrongdoing is being held accountable for it, which is a positive thing. But nothing can really make that wrong right. It is good that maybe this person will be convicted and not be able to do this type of stuff to other young people. I’m hopeful that we could crackdown on this in all areas.”

Police expressed hope that the arrest sends a message, “The victim clearly shares some responsibility for the reckless behavior that took his life. However, Mr. Odum reportedly had a reputation as a mobile drug dealer, making it very easy for the victim to locate and ingest the drugs that killed him. Although it is often difficult to pursue criminal charges in cases involving drug overdoses, this case provides us the ability to send a clear message that we intend to prosecute those that openly dispense dangerous drugs in our community whenever possible.”
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Orange_Crush and kidbourbon any comments ?
 
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orangepit said:
Orange_Crush and kidbourbon any comments ?
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kidbourbon does not believe that mr. odum deserved the manslaughter charge. kidbourbon notes that there is a law on the books to address what mr. Odum did and that mr. odum was charged under this law. kidbourbon believes that these facts make a manslaughter conviction unlikely. The prosecution, among other things, will have difficulty meeting it's burden of proof on the element of causation. kidbourbon thinks that mr odum will easily get off of the manslaughter charge if he can afford a lawyer with a half a brain. kidbourbon thinks the prosecutor realizes the manslaughter charge is a stretch, but charged him snyway for potential plea-bargaining leverage purposes. kidbourbon diesnt think such strategic prosecutorial tactics are particularlly cool. kidbourbon also doesn't think mr odum is a good dude. kidbourbon therefore wishes the prosecutor the best of luck on one of the two charges.
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kidbourbon said:
kidbourbon does not believe that mr. odum deserved the manslaughter charge. kidbourbon notes that there is a law on the books to address what mr. Odum did and that mr. odum was charged under this law. kidbourbon believes that these facts make a manslaughter conviction unlikely. The prosecution, among other things, will have difficulty meeting it's burden of proof on the element of causation. kidbourbon thinks that mr odum will easily get off of the manslaughter charge if he can afford a lawyer with a half a brain. kidbourbon thinks the prosecutor realizes the manslaughter charge is a stretch, but charged him snyway for potential plea-bargaining leverage purposes. kidbourbon diesnt think such strategic prosecutorial tactics are particularlly cool. kidbourbon also doesn't think mr odum is a good dude. kidbourbon therefore wishes the prosecutor the best of luck on one of the two charges.
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kidbourbon love your mind.... Agree 100%....
 
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kidbourbon said:
He obviously didn't get massive amounts of muscle relaxers from the kids at the party. Who is more likely to get enough muscle relaxers and pain pills to kill a 300lb man: a college football player who is often injured and gets them all the time...or some random guy?

They were quite obviously his own pills.

But you appear to be missing the fundamental point. The question of whether he got them from a legal source or an illegal source is quite irrelevant. The source -- legal or illegal -- has no culpability as to ADs death. None. And just to be clear, there isn't a set of laws in any civilized country that would allow the question of illegally acquired vs. legally acquired to have any bearing whatsoever on the question of culpability of the death for someone in ADs situation.

I understand exactly the point you are trying to convey; I'm just telling you that it is completely wrong...and a very radical departure from any set of laws written by a reasonable set of human beings.
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Not necessarily. He could have bought them. I can go right now and buy 1000 lortabs off a seller. They are so easy to get its ridiculous. All the stuff he was on no Dr in the world would prescribe that combination.
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jasonvol18 said:
Not necessarily. He could have bought them. I can go right now and buy 1000 lortabs off a seller. They are so easy to get its ridiculous. All the stuff he was on no Dr in the world would prescribe that combination.
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I get need to get hooked up with this guy's people.
 
#91
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orangepit said:
Orange_Crush and kidbourbon any comments ?
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I was going to leave this alone... lol

Not much else to say beyond KB's latest on the subject. The guy that sold the pills is a DB. There's laws on the books that may or may not be hard to uphold.

AD is still dead, and that's a tragedy...
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I was going to leave this alone... lol

Not much else to say beyond KB's latest on the subject. The guy that sold the pills is a DB. There's laws on the books that may or may not be hard to uphold.

AD is still dead, and that's a tragedy...
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kidbourbon next!!!!!!
 
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