Let's compare Jesus and Muhammed (and debate homosexuality) (and Tombstone).

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IPorange said:
Ink could be made from a type of nut and a common ferrous compound, btw, in the Roman world. It wasn't a luxury item by any means.
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if ancient humans could draw elaborate cave paintings, using charcoal and ink derived from other natural means, that have lasted for thousands of years, the educated apostles of Christ wouldn't have needed to find a local Staples.
 
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VOLatile said:
I'd venture to guess that most were multilingual and copied scripts from one language to another.
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Sure, some of them were multilingual, but that doesn't mean that they are somehow speed writers, and should be able to crank a book out when other people think it should be.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
That they are somehow supposed to do this in any particular amount of time. They did it as quick as they could, given the conditions some of them faced.
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So... again, how come they had time to perfectly recite to one another over and over, over a time of generations, but not enough time to write it down? That doesn't make any sense.
 
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IPorange said:
No. I'm English. I write in English, Spanish, and French. Hebrews write in Hebrew and Armaic. Hebrews in Greece write in Hebrew, Armaic, and Greek.

What does language have to do with anything, by the way? Why wouldn't they write it down in pictographs if that is what they knew? And don't claim they were illiterate, they weren't.
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Jesus picked a couple of the people he did, mainly because of the fact they were educated, yet that doesn't mean that they are the best hand-writers in all the land.
 
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In his book A History of Writing, Steven Roger Fischer suggests that on the basis of finds at Saqqara, the reed pen might well have been used for writing on parchment as long ago as the First Dynasty or about 3000 BC. Reed pens continued to be used until the Middle Ages although they were slowly replaced by quills from about the 7th century. The reed pen, generally made from bamboo, is still used in some parts of Pakistan by young students and is used to write on small boards made of timber
 
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IPorange said:
So... again, how come they had time to perfectly recite to one another over and over, over a time of generations, but not enough time to write it down? That doesn't make any sense.
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Because most everyone of them were Jewish at first, and most all Jews knew the Old Testament through and through, without having to write it down. That's how they taught them in those days. Writing things down wasn't a time saver for them, that's why it took a long time.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Jesus picked a couple of the people he did, mainly because of the fact they were educated, yet that doesn't mean that they are the best hand-writers in all the land.
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Leonardo da Vinci could write two different languages, backwards, using both his right and left hands simultaneously. Granted, he is an exception, but if these men were educated, they would have been taught how to scribe. Why do you think architectural blue prints have the same type regardless of who makes them? It's because they're all taught to write in the same, legible style.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Consider the area. There was people who spoke all 3 languages, and it wouldn't make any sense to just write them in one language, and let the other fend for themselves.
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you can't translate it after you finish the first book in latin? better to make sure no one has it than 50% of the population?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Consider the area. There was people who spoke all 3 languages, and it wouldn't make any sense to just write them in one language, and let the other fend for themselves.
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Shouldn't you at least start somewhere, rather than throw your hands up for decades and let them all "fend for themselves?"
 
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you have a story about the son of God that will change the world forever yet you don't write it down for a few decades? Hmmm
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's not the way Jesus worked, and the people he asked to follow him weren't exactly wealthy.
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and you know this how exactly? think about a game of telephone you played when you were a kid. now imagine that game not over 5 minutes but 20 years and imagine it's being retold by people with a motivation to make jesus look pretty amazing. ya think some exageration might happen?
 
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I just simply amazes me that most of you don't know historically how things were back then, and how difficult it was just to sit down in one place for a particular amount of time for early Christians. They were constantly traveling, and I'm sure that they didn't exactly have all the materials they needed at any given time.

Most of you guys discussing this don't believe at all, so what exactly do any of you have to gain by discussing this with believers?? Are you just trying to make us question our faith, because I can tell you that won't work with myself.
 
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Once again the thread veers off into neverland.

The guys that wrote about Jesus had publications citing a messiah was coming. They worshiped laws laid out before them by a God they believed in. Jesus did enough for them to confess His existence and turn their faith to Him over prior customs. Why?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just simply amazes me that most of you don't know historically how things were back then, and how difficult it was just to sit down in one place for a particular amount of time for early Christians. They were constantly traveling, and I'm sure that they didn't exactly have all the materials they needed at any given time.

Most of you guys discussing this don't believe at all, so what exactly do any of you have to gain by discussing this with believers?? Are you just trying to make us question our faith, because I can tell you that won't work with myself.
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there was no tv, no radio. they had very little to do. they can't take say 30 minutes a day writing it out? say a page a day. seems like they should be able to crank it out pretty quickly.
 
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droski said:
and you know this how exactly? think about a game of telephone you played when you were a kid. now imagine that game not over 5 minutes but 20 years and imagine it's being retold by people with a motivation to make jesus look pretty amazing. ya think some exageration might happen?
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Because Jesus asked people to follow him, so he could teach them. This wasn't classroom based instruction. Heck, most of the time they were being taught, they were in places they didn't have access to any of the parchment or other things to write with. You think if Jesus wanted that done, he wouldn't have asked them to do it, while he walked with them?? They were constantly on the move, with no place to store anything they had. Most of the time it took a miracle, just to feed the multitude of people around them. I mean, over 10,000 people were witness to 2 miracles involving food and feeding the multitudes.

Everything about Jesus is about having faith that he will do what he says, and he did, according to the Gospels and the prophets of the Old Testament.
 
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