Letter from a former soldier.

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Are they killing, beating and dragging people through the streets??? If not then yeah let's ignore it...

A: All Muslims kill, beat, and drag people through the streets.

B: Killing, beating, and dragging people through the streets is evil.
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C: All Muslims are evil.

Are there any counter-examples to this argument? Well, what if all Muslims do not kill, beat, and drag people through the street? What? We are just going to ignore those that do not? Okay.

Validity, at its finest.
 
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A: All Muslims kill, beat, and drag people through the streets.

B: Killing, beating, and dragging people through the streets is evil.
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C: All Muslims are evil.

Are there any counter-examples to this argument? Well, what if all Muslims do not kill, beat, and drag people through the street? What? We are just going to ignore those that do not? Okay.

Validity, at its finest.
Not the point here. Swing and a miss....
 
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And? Since the rumored report emerged it has consistently been in reference to our Embassy in Egypt (Cairo). It has nothing to do with the murder of the ambassador in Benghazi.

Of course, Cameron Jones (the author of the letter quoted by the OP) ensures that he is sufficiently ambiguous in his BS letter to lead the reader to believe that the Ambassadors life might have been saved had the Marines (in Egypt) been given live ammunition.

The rumor did reference the Cairo Embassy. That connects to the murder of our Ambassador in Benghazi by misassociation. In case you haven't noticed, that's the method of right wing deception, creating misassociations. They don't think rationally; they think by association, a function of lower animals all the way down to worms and amoebas. But like I said, they don't really associate; they misassociate.
 
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Just being there puts them at risk. You can say that about every president. It's just overwhelmingly stupid to trust those people with your well being, for political gain or whatever twisted thinking brought that about.....

I agree, but what are the options? The consulate in Benghazi hired local security, which bugged out at some point. And what about Cairo? What do you think would have happened if the Marines had opened up on the demonstrators who topped the wall? What would have happened if the Egyptian government had opened up on the demonstrators in the street? Isn't that what we condemned in both Egypt and now in Syria?
 
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Do you know how to read?



Or, do you have privileged access to what actually occurred?

Continue to jump to conclusions while labeling others as "idiots".

i do think the Marines didn't have ammo, if they did how in the world were no of the attackers killed
 
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i do think the Marines didn't have ammo, if they did how in the world were no of the attackers killed

How many casualties were there among the Embassy personnel in Cairo?

It does not follow that just because the Marines on Guard at the Embassy had live ammo protesters scaling walls and destroying property would be shot and killed.

I would imagine that at Embassies the ROE are even more restrictive than they are in theater. Maybe the Marines never felt that their lives were in imminent danger.
 
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Nah i'm calling you that for your body of work, not just this piece. Maybe you should pack up and go live over there in one of those **** holes with your buddies..... Since you seem to love them so much... Make sure you bow so they don't beat the **** out of you, then rape and drag you through the streets...

Woah...that's a lot of anger before 9:00am on a gameday Saturday...how bout this, turn on College Gameday on ESPN, settle in for a day of football and leave the raping/body dragging comments for another day, ok?
 
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Woah...that's a lot of anger before 9:00am on a gameday Saturday...how bout this, turn on College Gameday on ESPN, settle in for a day of football and leave the raping/body dragging comments for another day, ok?
Nah i'm good. I'm not the one in here trying to justify this crap.....Or try to claim disassociation. Few bad apples don't ruin the crop BS.... :hi: I'm done here.....
 
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Nah i'm good. I'm not the one in here trying to justify this crap.....Or try to claim disassociation. Few bad apples don't ruin the crop BS.... :hi: I'm done here.....

I don't see anyone here justifying the attack...
 
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Clicking your links gets you paid by whatever whackjob PAC you spam on behalf of, I'm content with just reading what you paste as a result.

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1. This letter is nothing more than an emotive ejaculation intended not to convince any reader of any facts of the matter but simply to hope that they sympathize with a sentiment.

2. The plea for sympathy would be stronger if Cameron Jones did not spend his every waking hour writing absolute BS blogs bashing anything and everything the Obama and the DNC do.

Your emotive knee jerk ejaculation response isn't all that impressive.

What has Obama and the DNC done that is so impressive?

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There is no excuse for not having means to protect yourself from extremist of any religion. That's failure on a epic scale no matter how you spin it. If Obama were to do anything to actually help America it would be by mistake....

Man you would swear ole "not real UT" was a muslim apologist wouldn't you..... I mean he jumps at every chance to defend it......

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Nah Jesus has nothing to do with it...

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Ah, so it IS your Blood Alcohol Content... or did you sit on a porcupine?

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Your emotive knee jerk ejaculation response isn't all that impressive.

What has Obama and the DNC done that is so impressive?

The action of blaming and the affection of being impressed are not antonyms. Further, even if they were, saying something is nor black does not necessarily entail that it is white.

I am not impressed by this administration's reaction; however, I do not blame this administration for these"protests"or their consequences.
 
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Benghazi Protests Against Attacks (PICS) - Business Insider

Our U.S. Embassy in Libya is located in Tripoli. The attack in Benghazi was against a consulate. While U.S. Marines guard our embassies around the world, consulates typically do not have Marine guards. There was no Marine guard at the consulate in Benghazi.

The guards at the consulate in Benghazi were hired Libyans who betrayed their mission.

There were two Marines killed in Benghazi because al Qaeda operatives (a militant division under the control of the muslim brotherhood) knew where the safe house was where the rest of the mission people were hiding and when a detatchement of eight Marines arrived to rescue them they were attacked by mortor fire by very well trained jihadists.

This means we have been infiltrated and the enemy knows as much as we do about most anything.

Democrats hoping Hillary Clinton can lie away their responsibility for Middle East attacks « « Coach is RightCoach is Right

One constant about Hillary Clinton is that as a good Democrat she has always been a good liar. Having learned her skills from her degenerate husband how could she fail to improve her lying abilities over the years she has spent “Standing by her man”?

Given the explosive events unfolding by the day in her “Arab Spring” world Clinton’s skills are going to be put to the test for as far as the eye can see.

Nevertheless, truth phobic Democrats need not worry: Hillary is in charge of this cover up. She knows how and what lies to feed the media cheer leading lap dogs who masquerade as the America media.

The only question is can the enormity of the facts over shadow her lies. Dead Ambassadors burned American flags shouts of “Obama we are all Osama” and evacuated embassies may be too hard to smother even for a Clinton.

Lie one: There is no connection between the “spontaneous” out breaks of “freedom of speech” in Egypt Libya and the rest of the Middle East.

Truth: The Muslin Brotherhood is behind all of this and it is all aimed at growing enough strength to successfully erase Israel from the face of the earth.

Now that Clinton and Barack Obama have insured the Muslim Brotherhood’s ascension to control of Egypt and her modern military (stocked with American and European weapons) all they need is an endless supply of drooling halfwits willing to run toward flaming Israeli machine guns and cannons to complete the job.

Now thanks to Clinton and Obama the Brotherhood has more willing martyrs than Israel has bullets.

Lie two: halfwits are angry over a movie. By spreading this lie Democrat/media trying make us believe the halfwits NEED a reason to attack American interests and threaten Israel. “If only that evil Coptic Christian had not made that movie none of this would be happening” goes that lie.

Truth: al Qaeda is telling the truth about these attacks. It is saying they are retaliation for drone attacks that are killing their leaders and most importantly the killing of bin Laden (but Obama TOLD us al Qaeda was finished when HE killed bin Laden).

Now patriotic American bloggers are telling the world Hillary is scrubbing the State Department’s website of references that prove her lies. She was TOLD this was coming and did nothing. She gambled with American lives and those Americans lost their lives.

FWIW, I doubt the Egyptian would be movie maker was a Copt, more likely he was a MB operative who had just gotten out of prison having been convicted of bank fraud. Two birds with one stone, America is evil and Copts are agitators. Convient also to overlook the recent crucifixion of Coptic Christians in Egypt because they had the balls to criticize the moslem brotherhood leadership and it's heavy handed policy toward it's Christians minority.

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If Obama is a Christian then I'm a freaking billionaire.






And? Since the rumored report emerged it has consistently been in reference to our Embassy in Egypt (Cairo). It has nothing to do with the murder of the ambassador in Benghazi.

Of course, Cameron Jones (the author of the letter quoted by the OP) ensures that he is sufficiently ambiguous in his BS letter to lead the reader to believe that the Ambassadors life might have been saved had the Marines (in Egypt) been given live ammunition.

Two SEALS (or former SEALS working as security assets)
were killed in Benghazi, it is antathema to me that we find that none of the attackers suffered casualties.

Try to convine me that those former SEALS were armed and didn't inflict any damage and then you have a case.

There is not one word of Jones' letter that is BS.

This year 51 American servicemen have been killed in Afghanistan in 36 seperate incidents by supposedly friendly fire, four more this past weekend. That is twice the numbers from last year.

Fourteen per cent of our men and women killed in Afghanistan have been from Afghan security forces.

My contention is that this is because Obama has been in a rush to up the Afghan security force numbers and has not been vetting enlistees in a proper manner.

To someone's credit (most likely not Obama) joint patrols with American and Afghan forces has been temporarily suspended.






Let's ignore the rallies by pro-US Libyans and just focus on the actions of the minority.

Why don't you elaborate on that?

Tha's the first I've heard of it.

FWIW, that won't restore the lives of the six men killed.





I guess it is convenient to overlook the rallies being held in Benghazi to condemn the killings and support the Ambassador/US when it doesn't support your motives.

I'ts convient also to overlook the gross negligence of Hitlery Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama when it doesn't support your motives.
 
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Two SEALS (or former SEALS working as security assets)
were killed in Benghazi, it is antathema to me that we find that none of the attackers suffered casualties.

Try to convine me that those former SEALS were armed and didn't inflict any damage and then you have a case.

There is not one word of Jones' letter that is BS.

Consider the facts:
- Neither Stephens, nor the three security personnel, had any bullet or shrapnel wounds. They died of asphyxiation, after retreating to a safehouse, which was obviously not impervious to the smoke.

- There are very stringent ROEs for security personnel on diplomatic missions. Who would they shoot and kill if no one was shooting (at least with effective fire) at them?

- You make some strong claims that you positively base upon a lack of evidence.

This year 51 American servicemen have been killed in Afghanistan in 36 seperate incidents by supposedly friendly fire, four more this past weekend. That is twice the numbers from last year.

Fourteen per cent of our men and women killed in Afghanistan have been from Afghan security forces.

My contention is that this is because Obama has been in a rush to up the Afghan security force numbers and has not been vetting enlistees in a proper manner.

Since you blame Obama for this (since he has not been vetting enlistees in a proper manner), do you give him credit for the vast reduction in KIAs this year (on pace to have 100 fewer KIAs in 2012 than 2011; 150 less than 2010)?

Also, is this a vetting problem? Or, is there something deeper (something that Obama would not be able to control in any manner)?

U.S. officials say that somewhere between 10 percent and 25 percent of the insider attacks are the work of enemy infiltrators. The rest are the result of personal insults and just plain cultural misunderstandings.

U.S. military suspends joint patrols with Afghans - CBS News

36 attacks overall. So, somewhere between 3 and 9 of these attacks are due to a lack of proper vetting; leaving between 27 and 33 attacks that are the result of what these Afghan troops must be taking as personal insults (I am not justifying the attacks; I am simply stating that proper vetting to keep enemy infiltrators out would not be the fix).

To someone's credit (most likely not Obama) joint patrols with American and Afghan forces has been temporarily suspended.

Let me get this straight. The Obama policy has been, in your own words, on its face and from the beginning a policy that would not doubt put our soldiers at greater risk. Yet, you do not blame the commanders for executing the policy, because Obama is presumably so powerful that they cannot refuse or that refusal might lead to a loss of their career (or, whatever other justification you might want to offer).

Yet, you follow that BS line of thought by then saying that the change in policy does not come from Obama. So, therefore, the Commanders must have enough power to say which policies they are going to execute.

However, if this is the case, then they presumably had that power earlier. They had the power to refuse to carry out Obama's policy. If they had this power, yet carried it out anyway, then they are to blame as well.
 
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Uh-oh, GS:
The two former Navy SEALs killed in last week's attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi were not part of Ambassador Chris Stevens' official security detail but took up arms in an effort to protect the facility when it was overrun by insurgents, U.S. officials tell the Washington Guardian.
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The two ex-Seals and others engaged in a lengthy firefight with the extremists who attacked the compound, a fight that stretched from the inner area of the consulate to an outside annex and a nearby safe house -- a location that the insurgents appeared to know about, the officials said.

U.S. officials clarify administration description of two heroes in Libya attack | WashingtonGuardian

You can choose not to believe this "official account"; however, this account certainly provides a huge obstacle to your following statement:
Two SEALS (or former SEALS working as security assets)
were killed in Benghazi, it is antathema to me that we find that none of the attackers suffered casualties.

Try to convine me that those former SEALS were armed and didn't inflict any damage and then you have a case.

There is not one word of Jones' letter that is BS.
 
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Consider the facts:
- Neither Stephens, nor the three security personnel, had any bullet or shrapnel wounds. They died of asphyxiation, after retreating to a safehouse, which was obviously not impervious to the smoke.

They are dead nevertheless are they not?

And they were killed by moslem al qaeda terrorists performing jihad for islam.

I would post pictures of Stevens that dispute your claim he died of smoke inhilation but that is forbidden on this site.

There were no security personnel at the facility other than contracted Libyan guards who abandoned their posts after allowing the al qaeda men into the compound and probably pointed out where Stevens was.

There were four people killed there, Ambasador Stevens, his assistant Smith, (financial I think) and the two SEALs which were most likely performing classified work, at least I've not seen what their actual jobs were other than the fact that they weren't assigned to protect Stevens.

There was another safe house where other staff members were supposedly secreted, it came under attack when eight Marines arrived to evacuate them, two Marines were killed in that ambush.

The fault of it all lies at the feet of Barack Obama, whether by ineptness or by betrayal.



- There are very stringent ROEs for security personnel on diplomatic missions. Who would they shoot and kill if no one was shooting (at least with effective fire) at them?

Stevens expressed strong concerns about security at Benghazi four days before 9/11.

The Libyan president said that we were warned on an impending attack 48 hours before the attack.

On the night of 9/11, Smith, Stevens top assistant, expressed concerns about living through the night.

So did one of the SEALs.

Messages had been sent from Benghazi to our embassy in Tripoli that Libyan guards had been seen taking photos of the facility earlier that day. (probably to pass on to those who would be attacking that night.)







- You make some strong claims that you positively base upon a lack of evidence.

That is one of the most poorly constructed sentences I've ever read.

What claim have I made that lacks evidence?




Since you blame Obama for this (since he has not been vetting enlistees in a proper manner), do you give him credit for the vast reduction in KIAs this year (on pace to have 100 fewer KIAs in 2012 than 2011; 150 less than 2010)?

If we are in withdrawal mode and not activly searching out the enemy any more then that might be the reason. Ya think?



Also, is this a vetting problem? Or, is there something deeper (something that Obama would not be able to control in any manner)?

Yes it is a vetting problem.

Obama projects weakness, that is either treason or cowarice, either way that should be under his control unless he has delegated that to Valerie Jarret.




36 attacks overall. So, somewhere between 3 and 9 of these attacks are due to a lack of proper vetting; leaving between 27 and 33 attacks that are the result of what these Afghan troops must be taking as personal insults (I am not justifying the attacks; I am simply stating that proper vetting to keep enemy infiltrators out would not be the fix).

Who do you cite for your statistics?
Or are you just making it up out of thin air as you often do?

Proper vetting should eliminate those who would not be so easily offended and quick on the trigger, would you not agree?



Let me get this straight. The Obama policy has been, in your own words, on its face and from the beginning a policy that would not doubt put our soldiers at greater risk. Yet, you do not blame the commanders for executing the policy, because Obama is presumably so powerful that they cannot refuse or that refusal might lead to a loss of their career (or, whatever other justification you might want to offer).

We probably need more Lakins.

You know what it is like to be in charge of a unit.

Actually, refusing an order can result in imprisonment or worse, either Obama takes responsibility as CIC or not.

I don't see why you want to give him a free pass.




Yet, you follow that BS line of thought by then saying that the change in policy does not come from Obama. So, therefore, the Commanders must have enough power to say which policies they are going to execute.

Do you think there was a change of policy not OKed by Obama?

The reason for the change in policy was because of the amount of uproar because of American servicemen's deaths from friendly fire and he did it for strictly political reasons not concern for our troops, I'm convinced of that.

BTW, the families of the two SEALs who died in Benghazi have some very strong words to and about Obama.

Research that.



However, if this is the case, then they presumably had that power earlier. They had the power to refuse to carry out Obama's policy. If they had this power, yet carried it out anyway, then they are to blame as well.

What a crock, you are taking some flight into la la land now.



Uh-oh, GS:
You can choose not to believe this "official account"; however, this account certainly provides a huge obstacle to your following statement:

When saying they were working as 'security assets' I assume some sort of clandestine activity.

Now are you trying to say they were armed and not able to defend themselves at all?
 

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