Letter to Randy Sanders

#26
#26
Originally posted by almostavol@Nov 4, 2005 7:28 PM
I did some research.........utvolpj is Randy Sanders first cousin. I wonder if he (utvolpj) is also from Morristown.
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Actually I'm from Knoxville and if you really want to come after me, you'll need more than that.
 
#27
#27
Originally posted by utvolpj@Nov 4, 2005 7:08 PM
Dropped passes/fumbles prevented us from winning, not the gameplans.
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How about preparation, development, discipline..are those part of a coaches' job?
 
#28
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Nov 4, 2005 8:01 PM
How about preparation, development, discipline..are those part of a coaches' job?
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Yes they are, but not RS direct responsibility. He doesn't coach the RB or the WR every day (there are position coaches at fault here too) and didn't seem to have a say in their hiring/firing. And do you blame lack of discipline on the OC or the HC? I just think the UT staff took the easy way out w/ respect to RS's job.
 
#29
#29
Most of these arguements make no sense to me.

4 years ago this group of seniors was the no. 2 ranked recruiting class in the nation per www.rivals.com.

Tuberville, Spurrier, Stoops, Carroll, Richt, etc could of all, I believe, have taken this group of athletes and finished the season in the top 10.

Even Meyer, took a group of Utah players who probably werent ranked collectively in the top 50 recruiting classes in the nation; to a BCS bowl game and won.

Fulmer, Sanders, and co. may not get to any bowl this year. Richt, Stoops, Carroll and Tubberville totally turned their programs around by changing one ingredient, COACHING.
 
#30
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Originally posted by utvolpj@Nov 4, 2005 8:07 PM
Yes they are, but not RS direct responsibility.  He doesn't coach the RB or the WR every day (there are position coaches at fault here too) and didn't seem to have a say in their hiring/firing.  And do you blame lack of discipline on the OC or the HC?  I just think the UT staff took the easy way out w/ respect to RS's job.
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I still say that resposibility is shared equally between players and coaches. As in business, the coach is the departmental manager and it's his responsibility to get the most out of the team players. And when it becomes clear they can't or won't produce, it is his responsibility to demote (in this case, bench) the non producers and move up people who will produce. It's called accountability. If we don't have better producers (not necessarily more gifted or talented) on the bench than the ones one the field every Saturday, we're in a world of hurt. I still say and will continue to say, a little pine time would do wonders for attitude and effort for our more gifted children. All the ability in the world is wasted if not used and it's the coaches responsibility to see that that doesn't happen.
 
#31
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UTVolpj - I am sorry to have an opinion since I didn't play college ball but I would like to understand how it is wrong to measure a coach's effectiveness to note that we are 10th in the SEC in scoring, 9th in passing, 10th in rushing and 11th in total yards. Just like in education we can now saw thank God for the state of Mississippi.
 
#32
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Originally posted by volinasheville@Nov 4, 2005 9:33 PM
UTVolpj - I am sorry to have an opinion since I didn't play college ball but I would like to understand how it is wrong to measure a coach's effectiveness to note that we are 10th in the SEC in scoring, 9th in passing, 10th in rushing and 11th in total yards.  Just like in education we can now saw thank God for the state of Mississippi.
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My point was that most don't have the coaching backgound to question play-calling that may or may not come solely from the OC. I point to the execution of those plays. The gameplans looked solid from my point of view. Special teams/fumbles/dropped passes have killed us this season. Those errors do not point to the OC being at fault. Even w/ those rankings we could be in much better shape right now minus mistakes.

I never questioned anyone's ability to have an opinion, only that play-calling and gameplan decisions should be left to those better educated in such things.
 
#33
#33
I have no coaching experience and no direct college football experience. But you know what? When I the armchair quarterback can pretty successfully predict what the plays are going to be and who the ball is going to week after week I sure as hell know the coaches on the other side of the stadium WITH experience are seeing the same thing. So you can sit there and whine about those of us with no experience thinking we know better. When it's THAT obvious, yes we do know better. It's straight out of that movie Waterboy when Coach Red Beaulieu reading Football for Dummies to see what Coach Klein was going to do next. Unfortunately in Sanders' case you didn't need a book to predict what would happen next.

Sanders may be the Second Coming in another conference or division. But here in the SEC where teams only get better, keeping Sanders and a stagnant predictable offense is unacceptible.
 
#34
#34
Unfortunately for Randy, his performance is what got him fired. He was at a job level higher than his ability. Nothing on the Vol-Nation Board attacked him personally. All true Vol fan root for a former UT player to suceed.

The national and regional media were much more harsh on Randy(except for the News Sentinel). The call in sports shows in Alabama treated him like a bafoon.

To say RS should have been retained is like saying Jimmy Carter should have had four more years as president.
 
#35
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To say RS should have been retained is like saying Jimmy Carter should have had four more years as president.
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Because this is a sports forum and not one devoted to politics, I'll let that one slide -- but suffice it to say, there are a number of good people who believe we'd be better off if he had.

:moon2: :peace: :rock:
 
#36
#36
My bad. But I couldn't think of anyone less competent in their job in my lifetime (Homer Simpson?) :search:
 
#37
#37
"He saw it against MSU and Don Smith. We were defending SEC champions and trailed late in the fourth. He overthrew a wide open Terrence Cleveland in the back of the end zone. ( literally threw it thru the uprights,pitiful) "

Damn i remember that now. I was in the endzone and Cleveland was running straight down the middle and clearly way over his head by sanders. Fans were around me yelling and cheering he's wide open then bam!!!! Man, that was a beautiful day too for football. Sunny hot in early sept. That 86 season was a season were some tough close losses to MSU army
 
#38
#38
Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 4, 2005 10:40 PM
I have no coaching experience and no direct college football experience. But you know what? When I the armchair quarterback can pretty successfully predict what the plays are going to be and who the ball is going to week after week I sure as hell know the coaches on the other side of the stadium WITH experience are seeing the same thing.
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I hear people say they can call the plays all of the time, and have called several people out on it. I have yet to see one that tried and hit on more than 25%. Maybe if you are talking pass or run you could get close to 50% but claiming to know exactly what will be run and to whom is ridiculous. The funny thing is that if you can do it opposing coaches sure as hell should be able to, yet playcalling has not been the problem this year....dropped balls, fumbles, and penalties have. Why don't you enlighten us all and predict the plays right on the volboard during today's game? I would love to see you work your magic!
 
#39
#39
Originally posted by utvolpj@Nov 4, 2005 8:07 PM
Yes they are, but not RS direct responsibility.  He doesn't coach the RB or the WR every day (there are position coaches at fault here too) and didn't seem to have a say in their hiring/firing.  And do you blame lack of discipline on the OC or the HC?  I just think the UT staff took the easy way out w/ respect to RS's job.
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Don't worry....Jimmy Ray and Pat Washington are next.
 
#40
#40
Originally posted by wncvolfan@Nov 4, 2005 9:13 PM
I still say that resposibility is shared equally between players and coaches.  As in business, the coach is the departmental manager and it's his responsibility to get the most out of the team players.  And when it becomes clear they can't or won't produce, it is his responsibility to demote (in this case, bench) the non producers and move up people who will produce. It's called accountability.  If we don't have better producers (not necessarily more gifted or talented) on the bench than the ones one the field every Saturday, we're in a world of hurt.  I still say and will continue to say, a little pine time would do wonders for attitude and effort for our more gifted children.  All the ability in the world is wasted if not used and it's the coaches responsibility to see that that doesn't happen.
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Newsflash-You can't fire players.
 
#41
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I am not a politician, does that mean I cannot voice my opinion on the way government is run? I am not a chef, does that mean I have no right to say whether the food I am eating is good or bad? You get my point?

To say that you cannot criticize coaches because you haven't coached yourself is a stupid argument.
 
#42
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Originally posted by utvolpj@Nov 4, 2005 10:37 PM
Yes they are, but not RS direct responsibility.  He doesn't coach the RB or the WR every day (there are position coaches at fault here too) and didn't seem to have a say in their hiring/firing.  And do you blame lack of discipline on the OC or the HC?  I just think the UT staff took the easy way out w/ respect to RS's job.
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Did it make ooo cwy when we dumped Wandy?

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

 
#43
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Originally posted by wilburnVol@Nov 5, 2005 1:03 PM
Did it make ooo cwy when we dumped Wandy?

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No, it made me disappointed that these grown men would allow another to take the abuse and not own up to their deficiencies as coaches. I never said he should stay, I stated that there were bigger problems than RS, like PW and JRS.

If you would like to take a personal shot at me please use a PM. I guarantee it will be more fun for me and less embarrassing for you.
 
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