LG has not released his tax returns

[OrangeEmpire]

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[therealUT]

That's what we're all waiting on, isn't it?

So, you think there is something suspicious and you are waiting for him to provide the suspicious documents. That is quite a convenient position in which you find yourself.

Back to the "possibly...admittedly" phrase, though. Please explain, or drop the word "admittedly". Romney has admitted to nothing and he has released his past two tax returns (unless you are going to state that his estimate of his 2011 tax return contains serious discrepancies from the one that he will have to release in October, right before the election, due to the extension he was granted by the IRS in filing his tax return).

But, continue with your "guilty until proven innocent" stance, as you argue for who should be the leader of America (otherwise known as a country that stood on the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" at its inception).

 

[hohenfelsvol]

And do you want to play a round LG. So we can talk about how wrong you are?
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[Weezer]

That's what I've been going for, but nobody seems to understand. If it were just any guy, even any rich guy, who cares! The fact of the matter is though: Romney is running for President! Not president of the yacht club (which is a darn good bar by the way), not president of the PTA, not president of even a company, but President! You know, capital "P." That makes all the difference. We should hold that office up to a higher standard. I know we don't always do so, but that doesn't mean it's ok not to.

And yes, the gap between the wealthy and the poor in this country has been growing, even during the recession. I don't claim to know all the reasons why, but it is a shame.

So please clarify, you also believe Obama should release all documents he has not released as well? F&F documents? They seem relevant. He's running for President so we should know, correct?

 

[volprof]

So, you think there is something suspicious and you are waiting for him to provide the suspicious documents. That is quite a convenient position in which you find yourself.

Back to the "possibly...admittedly" phrase, though. Please explain, or drop the word "admittedly". Romney has admitted to nothing and he has released his past two tax returns (unless you are going to state that his estimate of his 2011 tax return contains serious discrepancies from the one that he will have to release in October, right before the election, due to the extension he was granted by the IRS in filing his tax return).

But, continue with your "guilty until proven innocent" stance, as you argue for who should be the leader of America (otherwise known as a country that stood on the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" at its inception).

I'm not sure what part of my post insinuated that he was guilty. Suspicious perhaps, but not guilty. Didn't we all do the same with the Sandusky case? (And no, people I'm not comparing Romney to Sandusky, so please don't spin it that way.) Anyhow, I don't see anything wrong with my use of the term "admittedly." I'm not saying he admittedly did anything wrong; I'm simply saying that what he stands accused of is admittedly questionable at best for a man who wants to be President of us all, and not just Man of the Year for Industry and Investment. This office should have a higher moral cause. I'm not claiming that our tax rate on the wealthy is necessarily fair or unfair; I'm not claiming he did anything illegal or legal. However, if all this does end up proving true, it does at least mean that he skirted our current tax rates (even if they aren't fair) just to retain some more dollars in a foreign bank. Like I said before, although I disagree with it, I don't know that there's necessarily anything wrong with that for your average, run-of-the-mill rich guy. This is a presidential candidate though! If a man can't invest completely in his on country then why should we invest in him? I don't know why everyone keeps acting like this is not significant from an ethical standpoint for a man who would be president. It just makes all the difference.

Anyhow, that's just my opinion. I don't claim that Obama handled his controversial situations similar to this perfectly either.

 

[volprof]

So please clarify, you also believe Obama should release all documents he has not released as well? F&F documents? They seem relevant. He's running for President so we should know, correct?

If it runs the risk of his moral character, then yes, he should release them. Then let the American people judge for themselves as they would with Romney. Neither disclosure necessarily means the man shouldn't be president but does at least call into question who we want as president.

 

[bamawriter]

If it runs the risk of his moral character, then yes, he should release them. Then let the American people judge for themselves as they would with Romney. Neither disclosure necessarily means the man shouldn't be president but does at least call into question who we want as president.

Obama's moral character isn't even close to being the issue re: F&F. And those disclosures might very well reveal that the man shouldn't be president.

 

[Velo Vol]

Romney wants to be president and there are legitimate concerns raised by his connection to the banking and financing industry, as well as those who are supporting him, some of them with massive sums of money and all but anonymously.

We already know he's the richest person to ever run for president, and we know who his agenda will benefit. Not sure how much difference tax return disclosures are going to make at this point.

Romney could release documents showing that he embezzled $50 million, and the Obama haters will vote for him regardless.

 

[Weezer]

If it runs the risk of his moral character, then yes, he should release them. Then let the American people judge for themselves as they would with Romney. Neither disclosure necessarily means the man shouldn't be president but does at least call into question who we want as president.

Without seeing the documents, how do we know how they reflect his moral character? He was asked for his college transcripts but never released them. Does this mean he's hiding something? He invoked executive privilege over F&F documents so I would say that means there is damning info there, but we won't get to see it.
I just feel if Romney is expected to release more than he is legally required, then Obama should face the same expectancy. I'm neither pro-Romney nor pro-Obama, I just feel the standards here should be the same.

 

[volprof]

Obama's moral character isn't even close to being the issue re: F&F. And those disclosures might very well reveal that the man shouldn't be president.

Well, I was also talking about the "hiding" of his birth certificate and his college transcripts. "Moral" in the sense of just being forthcoming and honest with the American people. As I understand it, there is some debate over whether or not disclosing all the documents in Fast and Furious is legal or not. That doesn't necessarily make it right not to disclose them, but that's how I understood the case at least: that it may be legally prohibited to do so. And if the F&F documents do eventually come out (for whatever reasons) and possibly implicate Obama (or even anyone under his immediate supervision) in any wrongdoing, then so be it. If it means the end of his presidency, then so be it.

 

[BigPapaVol]

So please clarify, you also believe Obama should release all documents he has not released as well? F&F documents? They seem relevant. He's running for President so we should know, correct?

And what about a transcript and birth cert.

 

[volprof]

Without seeing the documents, how do we know how they reflect his moral character? He was asked for his college transcripts but never released them. Does this mean he's hiding something? He invoked executive privilege over F&F documents so I would say that means there is damning info there, but we won't get to see it.
I just feel if Romney is expected to release more than he is legally required, then Obama should face the same expectancy. I'm neither pro-Romney nor pro-Obama, I just feel the standards here should be the same.

I don't think you and I are that far off base.

 

[Weezer]

Getting less serious, I propose LG post his tax returns and trUT post his college transcripts. Sounds like a fair trade.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Getting less serious, I propose LG post his tax returns and trUT post his college transcripts. Sounds like a fair trade.

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[vols4sure]

Well, I was also talking about the "hiding" of his birth certificate and his college transcripts. "Moral" in the sense of just being forthcoming and honest with the American people. As I understand it, there is some debate over whether or not disclosing all the documents in Fast and Furious is legal or not. That doesn't necessarily make it right not to disclose them, but that's how I understood the case at least: that it may be legally prohibited to do so. And if the F&F documents do eventually come out (for whatever reasons) and possibly implicate Obama (or even anyone under his immediate supervision) in any wrongdoing, then so be it. If it means the end of his presidency, then so be it.

Your understanding is wrong. Executive privilege (like any other privilege) can be waived.

 

[volprof]

Your understanding is wrong. Executive privilege (like any other privilege) can be waived.

I don't claim to be right. However, I don't know that I'm necessarily wrong on this issue either. Regardless, my post above applies. If these documents should be released (and it's not legally prohibited), then fine: they should be released.

 

[bamawriter]

I don't claim to be right. However, I don't know that I'm necessarily wrong on this issue either. Regardless, my post above applies. If these documents should be released (and it's not legally prohibited), then fine: they should be released.

There is no law prohibiting the exchange of information between the branches of government. Some of the F&F documents may be classified, and thus not available to the public, but that Congress falls within the classification.