LLoyd Carr to be in Hall of Fame

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I think Carr is an underrated coach. I know people will disagree with me and throw in Fulmer comparisons, but I do think the fact that Tressel dominated him at the end of his career overshadows some of his accomplishments.
 
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First reaction was that there's no way he's Hall worthy. I haven't looked at any numbers for comparison or anything though
 
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If Fulmer is in there is no way to justify keeping Carr out..vice versa.
 
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I met CLC about 16-17 years ago. I was the head coach of the middle school (before I took a HS job) in his mother's home town in TN. He was in town for her funeral and came by to see the field where he played little league games. I couldnt believe that the Michigan head coach walked up to me to introduce himself in my tiny town. He took time to talk to my players. He didn't have to do that. He earned my respect that day. He was a real classy nice fella.
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JayVols said:
I met CLC about 16-17 years ago. I was the head coach of the middle school (before I took a HS job) in his mother's home town in TN. He was in town for her funeral and came by to see the field where he played little league games. I couldnt believe that the Michigan head coach walked up to me to introduce himself in my tiny town. He took time to talk to my players. He didn't have to do that. He earned my respect that day. He was a real classy nice fella.
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Thats a nice story. Too bad people will get on here and belittle it.
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Lexvol said:
If Fulmer is in there is no way to justify keeping Carr out..vice versa.
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I'm not so sure. While you could argue conference strength as a factor, Carr does have more than twice as many conference titles despite having a shorter tenure. He also has more BCS bowls as well. This isn't intended to be a shot at Fulmer, but I do think Carr has at least a little better resume.
 
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JayVols said:
I met CLC about 16-17 years ago. I was the head coach of the middle school (before I took a HS job) in his mother's home town in TN. He was in town for her funeral and came by to see the field where he played little league games. I couldnt believe that the Michigan head coach walked up to me to introduce himself in my tiny town. He took time to talk to my players. He didn't have to do that. He earned my respect that day. He was a real classy nice fella.
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That story doesn't surprise me a bit. Carr always carried himself like a true professional.
 
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ToineMac said:
Thats a nice story. Too bad people will get on here and belittle it.
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Eh, don't bother me. Like I said, I coach HS ball. I hear all kinds of crap. I don't really care what others think of me. (Not being a smart alec- just explaining). A message board comment will not bother me.
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not so sure. While you could argue conference strength as a factor, Carr does have more than twice as many conference titles despite having a shorter tenure. He also has more BCS bowls as well. This isn't intended to be a shot at Fulmer, but I do think Carr has at least a little better resume.
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Lloyd Carr has two outright conference championships, same as Fulmer. I don't put much stock in the three way ties.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That story doesn't surprise me a bit. Carr always carried himself like a true professional.
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Lord knows he has acted like one about 10K times more than other notable coaches relieved of their duties around the same time.
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sammyjoey said:
First reaction was that there's no way he's Hall worthy. I haven't looked at any numbers for comparison or anything though
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He qualifies.

A coach becomes eligible three years after retirement or immediately following retirement provided he is at least 70 years of age. Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games.
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tim said:
No. You put the three way championships in context. No coference championship left the Big 10 with ties quite frequently.
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That still puts his accomplishments over Fulmer's, IMO. It's not like Fulmer would have had 3 other conference titles without SEC title games.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It's not like Fulmer would have had 3 other conference titles without SEC title games.
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No, but he would have if he'd been able to coach in the Big Ten all that time, rather than the SEC.

In any case, no coach who goes over 100 career wins and wins a national championship is ever going to be left out of the Hall of Fame. At some point, they'll vote you in. The only way you won't make it if you win a national championship is if you got one the way Larry Coker did, or if the title was bought, like Danny Ford's was.
 
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Perhaps the appropriate context would be to consider a three-way tie for the Big Ten to be 1/3 of a conference championship.
 
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jsc1973 said:
The only way you won't make it if you win a national championship is if you got one the way Larry Coker did, or if the title was bought, like Danny Ford's was.
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didn't carr win it his first year with michigan too?
 
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droski said:
didn't carr win it his first year with michigan too?
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Third.

The qualifications to get in the HOF as a coach are fairly low. Just about anybody who has done anything will get in.

Whether he should be or not, he more than meets the criteria.
 
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droski said:
didn't carr win it his first year with michigan too?
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No, that was his third season. Carr became head coach in 1995, and won the title in 1997. I'm sure Gary Moeller recruited some of those players, but Carr did his part, and kept winning afterwards. He did something right. Michigan has one national championship since 1948, and Carr was the one who coached them to it.

You missed the point, anyway. Larry Coker won it in his first year and then ran the program into the ground. If Coker had kept Miami in contention past his first couple of years, he would be well on his way to the Hall of Fame too. He won't ever make it because it's obvious that he just coattailed on what Butch Davis did, with little merit of his own.

Danny Ford probably will never get in because he won the national championship, in his third season, with the players that Charley Pell bought. If that happened now, Clemson would have been stripped of everything but their AP title. The only hardware Ford ever won without those players was a few ACC titles later in the 1980s, at a time when the ACC made the present-day Big East look scary.
 
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tvolsfan said:
That still puts his accomplishments over Fulmer's, IMO. It's not like Fulmer would have had 3 other conference titles without SEC title games.
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Yeah he would've. Well, at least 2 other conference titles, and possibly a 3rd given Alabama's forfeiture of the 1993 game.
 
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Pretty good for a guy that was hired as a temp for that position and ended up doing something with his chance. Kudos and congrats to him
 
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