LLoyd Carr to be in Hall of Fame

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tvolsfan said:
Which years? Only year I can think of is 2001.
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2007 would be shared with LSU and Georgia, 1993 would be shared with Florida (assuming Alabama's forfeiture).

1997, 1998, and 2001 would be outright, 1993 and 2007 would be shared, which would out-do Carr's 2 outright and 3 shared.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
2007 would be shared with LSU and Georgia, 1993 would be shared with Florida (assuming Alabama's forfeiture).

1997, 1998, and 2001 would be outright, 1993 and 2007 would be shared, which would out-do Carr's 2 outright and 3 shared.
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I don't see them retroactively giving Tennessee a share the 1993 title. Either way, Tennessee finished with the third best record in the conference that season.
 
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Not with the forfeiture included, they finished tied for first.

But I see your point. A retroactive award seems unlikely.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
Well, Tennessee was also not the best on the field in 1985 or 1990, but we still claim those.
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True. I just don't see a retroactive championship being awarded because one of the games we tied was forfeited.

Bottom line, Carr had 5 championships to Fulmer's, 2. Having no conference title may hurt at sometimes, but it can also benefit at other times. Also Carr has 5 major bowls to Fulmer's 3. I'm not really sure what constitutes Hall of Fame worthy, but I think people are way to quick to just throw guys like Fulmer and Carr into a single group because they won a title and then got fired later. Carr was doing much better in the years before he got fired.
 
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I don't dispute that at all. Carr did not have two losing seasons and was continuing to get nice results, he just couldn't beat Ohio State. His career wrapped up right when the ship was starting to tip over. Fulmer's wrapped up halfway to the bottom of the sea.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I don't dispute that at all. Carr did not have two losing seasons and was continuing to get nice results, he just couldn't beat Jim Tressel. His career wrapped up right when the ship was starting to tip over. Fulmer's wrapped up halfway to the bottom of the sea.
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Fixed. He had no problem beating the previous guy.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I think Carr is an underrated coach. I know people will disagree with me and throw in Fulmer comparisons, but I do think the fact that Tressel dominated him at the end of his career overshadows some of his accomplishments.
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I think the comparisons to Fulmer are fitting. The last few years featured the team being passed by conference opponents that they'd previously handled, as well as a substantial decline in player development despite not much of a decline in quality of recruiting.

hatvol96 said:
That story doesn't surprise me a bit. Carr always carried himself like a true professional.
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And the one time that he didn't in front of a national audience was hilarious. In the 2003 game against OSU, Michigan ran out to a lead of something like 21-7 and got the ball at the very end of the first half on about their own 40. Carr ordered his guys to take a knee to kill the clock and get to halftime with a two-touchdown lead.

On live TV, Jack Arute grabs Carr for a quick halftime interview. The entire thing went like this:
ARUTE: With a two-touchdown lead, why not take a strike toward the end zone?
CARR: (caught totally off-guard, glares at Arute) Why in the hell would you ask me a stupid question like that?
ARUTE (unperturbed): With a two-touchdown lead, why not take a strike toward the end zone?
CARR: (glares at Arute some more, shakes his head, and walks off)
 
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Ohio Vol said:
I think the comparisons to Fulmer are fitting. The last few years featured the team being passed by conference opponents that they'd previously handled, as well as a substantial decline in player development despite not much of a decline in quality of recruiting.
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Not to the same extent, IMO. He was fired after 2007. His final 5 seasons didn't indicate the same drop off, IMO.

2003: Conference champions
2004: Conference champions
2005: Finished third
2006: Finished second, but were a 3 point loss from finishing the regular season 12-0 and playing for the national title
2007: Finished tied for second, fired.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that he needed to go, but I don't think the comparisons are quite the same.
 
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Personally, I think that anyone who wins a national title is HOF worthy, unless they were proven to have straight up cheated. If if you win with players that your predecessor served up, you stll had to do something to get everyone in the right position and supply the appropriate motivation and gameplan.
 
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Disclaimer before you read, I was born and raised in Lansing Michingan. um football is the devil. GO STATE!!

on to my thoughts:

I HATED Llloyd Carr (always 3 L's with Llloyd Carr) when he was at meeeechigan. Mostly because of his demeanor, and because he seemed to always have an excuse for losing. (the crown on the field at Oregon is a famous excuse)

But I have gained huge respect for him after he retired. He is a genuine nice guy. He respects the college game. He wants the best for the kids, whether they are at his school or someone else's school.

All around great guy, who just happened to coach at a crappy school. And I believe he probably deserves the Hall of Fame, as does Phil. (I like Fulmer also. I think he needed to be let go when he was, but that doesnt mean he not a great guy and great coach)
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Personally, I think that anyone who wins a national title is HOF worthy, unless they were proven to have straight up cheated. If if you win with players that your predecessor served up, you stll had to do something to get everyone in the right position and supply the appropriate motivation and gameplan.
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I agree in most cases. Larry Coker is not Hall of Fame worthy.
 
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