Lol @ Steve Forbes

#27
#27
bleedingTNorange said:
i am going to man up and admit that i was wrong about the bost call. i have done research and looked in the ncaa rule book and it is not a travel what bost did, as long as the ref decides you were attempting a shot you are allowed to catch your own airball just like it was a pass from someone else. this rule needs to be changed as it is a bail out for a player just like it was for bost, BUT it is the rule and therefore the refs were correct in not calling a travel.
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You are correct. That was the correct call. It's a judgement call, but if the officials determine that you are attempting a shot, it is not a travel if you rebound your own miss. Most fans don't realize that. They see a guy shoot and catch it and assume its a travel, which its not. I only know it because I used to officiate games.
 
#28
#28
AmoebaVol said:
Alright, I digress -- never knew that was the case. I bet Bost and 95 percent of the people in that building didn't know it, either.
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I bet Bost did know it. I bet 99% of all coaches, players and officials know it. Casual fans don't know it, because it doesn't happen a whole lot, and its a judgement call.
 
#29
#29
cncchris33 said:
I bet Bost did know it. I bet 99% of all coaches, players and officials know it. Casual fans don't know it, because it doesn't happen a whole lot, and its a judgement call.
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I bet Bost had NO idea of that rule. I would have to see the play again and realize it is a judgment call, but if that was a shot, then it may be the weakest shot ever taken (including men's church league and little league girl's basketball). To my recollection, it looked he just lost it or passed it to himself, but then again my eyes could have been blurry from reading the boards too much on who our new DC will be.
 
#30
#30
I don't ever fuss about refs but wow man lol

All I'm going to say is that it was pretty obvious on at least 4 trips to the paint, Maymon was hacked pretty hard with one of those being a good no call. I'm all about physical playing but on both sides.

Also, when UT grabbed about 2 offensive boards and kept trying to put it back in, the second one was an obvious foul. After seeing that weak call in the paint against the Lady Vols @ UK, I knew it was going to be a bad luck night with the stripes against the men too :(
 
#31
#31
bnhunt said:
I bet Bost had NO idea of that rule. I would have to see the play again and realize it is a judgment call, but if that was a shot, then it may be the weakest shot ever taken (including men's church league and little league girl's basketball). To my recollection, it looked he just lost it or passed it to himself, but then again my eyes could have been blurry from reading the boards too much on who our new DC will be.
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Whether or not he knew the rule has nothing to do with your opinion of whether it was a shot or not.

That said, I guarantee you he knows the rule, which is why he continued to play through it even though the majority of fans are setting at home punching holes in the wall. Did you see any of the players stop playing because they thought it was a walk? No. Did you see CCM make a big fuss over it? No.

Like I said, its a judgement call, kind of like pass interference in football. Again, your interpretation of whether it appeared to be a shot or not is different than the officials. You obviously didn't think it was, but I'll bet you didn't know that was a rule either, so you probably weren't looking to see whether it was a legit shot attempt or not. The officials did, and it's up to the officials discretion to make that call.
 
#32
#32
cncchris33 said:
We got away with two blatant calls late in the game. Maymon should have picked up his 5th foul in the missed FT where he had two hands on Moultrie to prevent him from getting the offensive rebound. Richardson should have been called for an over-and-back call in Tennessee's second to last possession.

All-in-all, a very unevenly officiated game. Lots of ticky-tack calls, and lots of blatant stuff went uncalled.
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Richardson was not over-and-back. It looked like it live. But, when I rewound the DVR, it actually wasn't even close. It looked bad just because of the way he moved his foot backwards, and the way everyone reacted.
 
#33
#33
Its not just UT.

Basketball officiating is slop nationwide. The ticky-tack then no blood/no foul makes it awful to watch.

Nobody can judge how to play if in the first half they get mauled in the paint with no whistle...but in the second half a handcheck 35 feet from the basket is called.
 
#34
#34
ukvols said:
Richardson was not over-and-back. It looked like it live. But, when I rewound the DVR, it actually wasn't even close. It looked bad just because of the way he moved his foot backwards, and the way everyone reacted.
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I don't know if we are talking about the same play. The play I'm talking about, Richardson caught the ball in the frontcourt on an inbounds pass and carried his entire body over into the backcourt across the line. It wasn't a matter of one foot moving.
 
#35
#35
WallyBalls said:
Its not just UT.

Basketball officiating is slop nationwide. The ticky-tack then no blood/no foul makes it awful to watch.

Nobody can judge how to play if in the first half they get mauled in the paint with no whistle...but in the second half a handcheck 35 feet from the basket is called.
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True. I will say the speed of the game and close quarters that play in the paint sometimes provides make basketball the most difficult sport to officiate with regularity. Even the best ones have bad games. Also, it is much easier to officiate games from our couch with the benefit of focusing in on each play with no regard to what else is taking place around you.

Imagine a play in the paint with a guy with an offensive possession of the ball beneath the basket. Now imagine standing on the baseline as an official and having to watch his feet for travelling, watch the man (or men) defending for a foul, watching his feet to make sure he doesn't step on the baseline out of bounds, and counting for three second violation. All that is before he even attempts a shot. And it can happen in the blink of an eye.

As someone who has officiated, I cam feel for these guys, but I am also hard on them within a game and I have to catch myself and put myself in their shoes. Then I ask myself if I think I would have made the right call in that circumstance.

I don't like officials that change the way the game is called within the game itself. You can't allow teams to kill each other for a half and then call handchecks 30 feet from the basket if it doesn't lead to a turnover. Consistency is what I watch for. Last nights game seemed to lack consistency.
 
#36
#36
cncchris33 said:
I don't know if we are talking about the same play. The play I'm talking about, Richardson caught the ball in the frontcourt on an inbounds pass and carried his entire body over into the backcourt across the line. It wasn't a matter of one foot moving.
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I'm talking about when the ball was inbounded to him from the side before Woolridge's 3 to make it 60-58. It looked close live, but when I watch it again, he had both feet in backcourt when he caught the ball.
 
#37
#37
ukvols said:
I'm talking about when the ball was inbounded to him from the side before Woolridge's 3 to make it 60-58. It looked close live, but when I watch it again, he had both feet in backcourt when he caught the ball.
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Ok, that's the one I'm talking about. I didn't DVR the game and they never showed it again, but it looked very sketchy in real time.
 
#38
#38
The amount of contact allowed around the rim was very inconsistent in regards to the calls the refs made throughout the game.

But, if the Vols had shown a bit more ball handling skills around the perimeter and finished a few more 3v1 / 2v1 transitions this is a moot point.
 
#39
#39
my biggest problem with the officiating last night was the no travel call on hood when he dragged his feet about 2 ft. the other huge problems i had were on the inside, maymon was getting absolutely hammered on most of his drives and putbacks and it was very rarely called.
 
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