"Look at all those freshman. Future is bright."

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CA_Vol said:
I agree with you, but if was lumping in the fan base w/ the "program".
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oh, the fan base deserves a break? sure, insofar as that kind of thing makes sense, I'll agree

but, all fan bases go through it… it just isn't as noticeable because the existential affect when it's your team is so great
 
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CA_Vol said:
We have been breaking records for playing freshman for 5 years now. I am so sick of waiting for the future & in the meantime getting continually embarrassed in games I used to look forward to.

I am very proud of the effort our team gave tonight. They played their hearts out. But, I watch a ton of football, and I have never seen so many players, coaches, refs, etc, over such an extended period of time, fail to make the plays that could be the difference between getting blown out and staying in it.

Whether it's too many players on the field; dropped passes; int's in the endzone; fumbles going into the endzone; awful play calling in crucial situations; questionable penalties; questionable play reviews; we just don't ever seem to make, get, or create the plays needed to turn this thing around.

Tonight is a perfect example of what we have gone through as a program over the last decade. Literally 3 plays are the difference between a blow out and a potential monumental, program changing victory.

1) Refs review of OU fumble goes to OU
2) Croom let's a TD pass go through his hands for an int in the endzone
3) Worley throws an int in the endzone. Returned for a TD, on an awful play call.

This is a program that deserves a freaking break, and I for one can't wait until we catch one.
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I don't disagree with you ...but ask you to consider ...

Do you not think that Alabubba does not get some bad penalties - reviews, has a few drops - fumbles , and has a few bad - dumb play calls ?

Well they do ..and so does Okie. The difference is that they make enough good and great plays consistently to get the best result - a W . When they get that ...nobody really talks about these things .

I dont think that these particular things are the reasons ...I think we just need to consistently win plays more and get the W . Then no body will want to talk about those 3 things that are in almost every football game.
 
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AJeray4TN said:
We got a break last year vs South Carolina. This might have been the best team in the country. Step off the ledge.
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This team may be the best only cause the parity is amazing this year. This OU team is not that good and after spending the weekend out here they're nervous about next year. They recognize they saw an awakening and this team could be great next year.
 
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People need to stop calling facts, excuses.

Fact is that buTch has only brought in 1 of his true recruiting classes, top 5 ranked at that.

Fact is that 22 of those true freshmen are being forced to play because CDD was horrid with most of his recruiting.

Fact is that buTch does have a good ranked recruiting class commited for his 2nd group including K Mac who will make a major difference on our D line next year.

Fact is that lots of our freshmen and sophmores are playing tough, and pretty well, despite a huge lack of experience and still learning all the playbooks and schemes and are weak compared to players that have been on the right nutritional program and strength programs for 3 to 5 years already.

Fact is our kids have heart and never gave up or quit like our teams of recent years have done.

Fact is our Vols football future is very bright indeed and only people that don't know football can't see it.

Next year or the year after I believe we'll be the SEC East champions and going after a SEC and a National Championship.

Being patient sucks but we have no other choice so enjoy watching our young kids turn into tough, hard hitting men that bring us lots of WINS along the way.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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NEOCON said:
We beat USCe last year.

We will beat a ranked team this year and make a bowl game.

We will then finish with another top 10 class that fills needs.

CKB has already done more in his first year and 3 games than Dooley and ******* did combined or ever would. Give it time.
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So losing to candy n not making a bowl is more than fools.. In yr 1..

Yes rec great but he has to win n no coach get more than 3 yrs to prove a winner
 
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What I saw tonight was 2 bad plays in a row on Offense and then a good one....2 good plays on Defense and then a bad one. That is a direct result of having so many freshmen on the field. I also saw a ton of effort and no quit in a team that was getting steam rolled at times.

Yeah, if we caught all the breaks it could have been a 3-7 pt game at the end but it also could have been a 40 pt game without some of the great plays we made on D. I think the future is bright. If you expect to win against that team right now you're crazy and know nothing about football.
 
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majic73 said:
I don't disagree with you ...but ask you to consider ...

Do you not think that Alabubba does not get some bad penalties - reviews, has a few drops - fumbles , and has a few bad - dumb play calls ?

Well they do ..and so does Okie. The difference is that they make enough good and great plays consistently to get the best result - a W . When they get that ...nobody really talks about these things .

I dont think that these particular things are the reasons ...I think we just need to consistently win plays more and get the W . Then no body will want to talk about those 3 things that are in almost every football game.
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You are totally right, but I was saying our failure to make or get some of these plays is hindering our ability to "rebuild" ourselves back into a program that can weather those 3-4 bad plays because we are consistent.

I JUST CANT WAIT FOR US TO FINALLY TURN THE CORNER!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
People need to stop calling facts, excuses.

Fact is that buTch has only brought in 1 of his true recruiting classes, top 5 ranked at that.

Fact is that 22 of those true freshmen are being forced to play because CDD was horrid with most of his recruiting.

Fact is that buTch does have a good ranked recruiting class commited for his 2nd group including K Mac who will make a major difference on our D line next year.

Fact is that lots of our freshmen and sophmores are playing tough, and pretty well, despite a huge lack of experience and still learning all the playbooks and schemes and are weak compared to players that have been on the right nutritional program and strength programs for 3 to 5 years already.

Fact is our kids have heart and never gave up or quit like our teams of recent years have done.

Fact is our Vols football future is very bright indeed and only people that don't know football can't see it.

Next year or the year after I believe we'll be the SEC East champions and going after a SEC and a National Championship.

Being patient sucks but we have no other choice so enjoy watching our young kids turn into tough, hard hitting men that bring us lots of WINS along the way.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
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Yes because the same crap VN has been saying for 5 yrs now.. Cbj must get to a bowl n then next yr be a contender

Pf was task with being in sec cg 1 n 3 but we r going to give cbj 5 yrs.. Bs he should be held to the same standard..
 
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92volalum said:
Yes because the same crap VN has been saying for 5 yrs now.. Cbj must get to a bowl n then next yr be a contender

Pf was task with being in sec cg 1 n 3 but we r going to give cbj 5 yrs.. Bs he should be held to the same standard..
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CPF dug his own grave and Kiffin and Dooley tried to reach China. The hole CBJ has this team emerging from is only this deep because of previous incompetency and laziness.
 
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DownTheField said:
they didn't call it a non-fumble… the play stood

if you don't know the difference, then get a valium Rx because this will happen to every team in every game ever played… but you'll only notice the ones against TN
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Yep It happened to Kentucky big time tonight - the SEC refs suck big time this season already
 
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AJeray4TN said:
We got a break last year vs South Carolina. This might have been the best team in the country. Step off the ledge.
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This wasn't close to the best team in the country. They were Georgia quality maybe. I was there. Take it for what I believe. Tennessee played off their feet defensively with a horrible red zone offense.
 
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1Big_Orange_Fan said:
What I saw tonight was 2 bad plays in a row on Offense and then a good one....2 good plays on Defense and then a bad one. That is a direct result of having so many freshmen on the field. I also saw a ton of effort and no quit in a team that was getting steam rolled at times.

Yeah, if we caught all the breaks it could have been a 3-7 pt game at the end but it also could have been a 40 pt game without some of the great plays we made on D. I think the future is bright. If you expect to win against that team right now you're crazy and know nothing about football.
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I certainly didn't expect to win & have consistently said this is a 5-7 team due to having to replace both lines. My point was that when we do have opportunities to overachieve, we often fail to make the plays that could propel our rebuilding process. That's all.
 
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92volalum said:
Yes because the same crap VN has been saying for 5 yrs now.. Cbj must get to a bowl n then next yr be a contender

Pf was task with being in sec cg 1 n 3 but we r going to give cbj 5 yrs.. Bs he should be held to the same standard..
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Its a different case ...and should be handled on a case by case basis .
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Fulmer dug his own hole
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Kiffin started well and then suddenly left the program in a lurch
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Dooley set the program back 5 years with his lack of coaching and lack of NEED recruiting
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Butch inherited a program in terrible shape that is playing the tough schedule in the country .
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From Dooley's last squad up through tonight ...the improvement in individual players , game play , recruiting ....should be obvious to anyone who has even glimpsed a football game . To even talk about not backing the coaches in their plan is silly to put it mildly
 
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I am actually really proud of our team at the moment. The fact that they were fighting that hard for the whole game is amazing.

Remember the teams of the last few years before Butch got here? The ones that would lay down and die if they got behind in a game. Even better, do you remember the times that the former coaching staff would make no adjustments at halftime of a game and then we would get smoked all to hell in the second half?

Going into the season, there were games on the schedule that all rational fans knew were going to be losses. This game was one of them. That comment about Oklahoma being Georgia level talent is a bit much too. Georgia could not beat the Sooners in Norman and their performance against South Carolina should prove that.

We get 2 weeks to get read for Georgia. Yes it is another tough game on the road but South Carolina exposed some big gaps in the Bulldog defense today. Perhaps Bajakian and Coach Jones can exploit them as well.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
People need to stop calling facts, excuses.

Fact is that buTch has only brought in 1 of his true recruiting classes, top 5 ranked at that.

Fact is that 22 of those true freshmen are being forced to play because CDD was horrid with most of his recruiting.

Fact is that buTch does have a good ranked recruiting class commited for his 2nd group including K Mac who will make a major difference on our D line next year.

Fact is that lots of our freshmen and sophmores are playing tough, and pretty well, despite a huge lack of experience and still learning all the playbooks and schemes and are weak compared to players that have been on the right nutritional program and strength programs for 3 to 5 years already.

Fact is our kids have heart and never gave up or quit like our teams of recent years have done.

Fact is our Vols football future is very bright indeed and only people that don't know football can't see it.

Next year or the year after I believe we'll be the SEC East champions and going after a SEC and a National Championship.

Being patient sucks but we have no other choice so enjoy watching our young kids turn into tough, hard hitting men that bring us lots of WINS along the way.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
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Very good summation. I agree completely. The defense rests.
 
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I firmly believe it would've been 21-0 after the 1st quarter in either of the last 2 years:
2 years ago- Out-coached, out-played. Give up at some point in the second half.
1 year ago- Maybe out-coached, maybe out played (talent gap makes this difficult to say definitively either way). Give up at some point after the beginning of the 4th quarter.
This year- Neither out-coached or out-played. Defense did well considering the holes they were put in (1st half playing time, awful field position). Plenty of TFL and positive outcomes on defensive downs. just gave up too many plays in the end, but not for lack of talent or effort. Offense was awful even though they moved the ball sporadically, but not for lack of talent or effort--just an unbelievably inexperienced O-Line going against arguably the best D they will see all season (that front 7 is great). Also missing two key skill positions players (Von Pearson and a single screen pass would've kept that pass rush in check most of the game, and Wolf was starting at TE as a freshman for a reason) didn't help our rhythm.

Overall, I like what I saw. I'm no sunshine-pumper, but today we never gave up and we had the talent to play with these guys. We are just SO young, there have to be growing pains. Getting Pearson and Wolf back for SEC play is huge, as both those injuries looked bad when they happened. But our O-Line has to grow up FAST. Worley will never be Manning, but he's improved tremendously since last year; it won't matter if the O-Line can't give him more than 2 1/2 seconds before the pressure is in his face. He was a warrior, and a true senior leader out there today. If the D continues on its course, the O-Line improves (they are all new starters, remember), and we get Pearson back for the season, we could surprise in the SEC this year. OU was a good litmus test, and a good demonstration of how the talent-gap between UT and their opponents has lessened--our talent is just mostly held by true/redshirt underclassmen. Now comes the SEC...
 
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CA_Vol said:
We have been breaking records for playing freshman for 5 years now. I am so sick of waiting for the future & in the meantime getting continually embarrassed in games I used to look forward to.

I am very proud of the effort our team gave tonight. They played their hearts out. But, I watch a ton of football, and I have never seen so many players, coaches, refs, etc, over such an extended period of time, fail to make the plays that could be the difference between getting blown out and staying in it.

Whether it's too many players on the field; dropped passes; int's in the endzone; fumbles going into the endzone; awful play calling in crucial situations; questionable penalties; questionable play reviews; we just don't ever seem to make, get, or create the plays needed to turn this thing around.

Tonight is a perfect example of what we have gone through as a program over the last decade. Literally 3 plays are the difference between a blow out and a potential monumental, program changing victory.

1) Refs review of OU fumble goes to OU
2) Croom let's a TD pass go through his hands for an int in the endzone
3) Worley throws an int in the endzone. Returned for a TD, on an awful play call.

This is a program that deserves a freaking break, and I for one can't wait until we catch one.
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You gotta give time for the Dooley recruits to trickle out. Don't underestimate the damage that guys incompetence did on the psyche of the players.
 
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Jarred Matheney said:
I posted this in a different form but think it belongs here

Played a drinking game during the game, how many times someone said true freshman for Tennessee. Was hammered before the game started. I'm joking I didn't do that, but even Herb said it during the game he probably said it over 100 times. It just shows you how young we are. I'm very proud of TN tonight we fought hard we are just very very young. So when we play over 22 freshman (the most of any team in NCAA) it is a valid excuse
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This is the difference maker right here!
The broadcasters were flabbergasted by the number of freshman and were notably impressed by their performance against a great Oklahoma team.
I am excited for the future.
A incredibly young team against a likely playoff team and possible national champion.
Our boys played hard. If our o line played better ( which they will with experience and s&c) I think it could have made a significant difference.
Worley played tough and is very capable if making the difficult throws if he had time.
Play calling was an issue as read option is not suited for our offensive personnel at this time.
 
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Blowouts felt like blowouts in years past. This felt like a team growing up and taking it to them 4 quarters. OU kept their injured All-American in the game late because of the threat that we possessed. It will get better and in fact it already has.
 
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