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Don't force her to take the ACT over and over and over again. Have her take it early to get a feel of how it actually works, then give her a break for a couple months, then have her get into the studying to retake it. Spending her entire time studying for that can harm her studying for classes and it can just fry her brain.

I was in band in HS and my parents forced me to take the test 3 total times, which wouldn't be awful if the 2nd wasn't while I was on a trip to Disney with the band. We had like 8 guys taking it at a high school in Orlando. It was each student's worst score.

My school wanted me to retake it. After scoring a 34. They kept acting shocked that I told them no. My score was good enough to get accepted to Duke (my 3.5 GPA not good enough for a scholarship though). Just have her take it and see what happens from there. We can play the guessing game as long as you want, but the best bet is to just take it and go from there.
 
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Question for everyone:

is it wise to limit yourself to 12-13 hours the first semester (or two) and really nail the GPA?

It's not a bad idea, but it does depend on how she'll handle her time. For instance 12 hours is only 4 classes (or 3 classes that each have a lab). So say she takes 2 MWF classes and 2 T/R courses. That means she's only in class 2 hours a day.

On the surface that seems great but that also means she has a ton of free time, and studying can quickly be put on the backburner.

My last two years of undergrad I did much better than my first two. Additionally I was working 30-35 hours a week my last two years. So I didn't have much free time, which forced me study whenever I did have time off.

Same thing during grad school. I had a 4.0 while going to school full time, writting a thesis, being a GTA, and working two outside jobs.

This is just my experience though, your daughter may be able to manage her free time better than I could at that age.

Also chances are she'll take one or two "throw away" courses that she just needs to meet hour requirements. For me these were the history of Rock N Roll and Volleyball. She could always take 12/13 hours and then a class like that to still hit 15/16 hours without adding any real extra additional course work.
 
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There's a lot of good advice in here McDad. I've got two (a boy and a girl) in college right now, so I'll throw out something else to consider just because I haven't seen it mentioned yet... rooming conditions. This includes not only the physical room and conditions, but also the roommate(s). When visiting colleges make sure you ask to see the actual rooms your daughter will likely be in (not just the ones they want to show you... this is assuming she will be staying on campus) and also ask how roommates are chosen and issues are addressed if there are conflicts.

Being in an environment that is not conducive to good study habits is probably the biggest impact to your daughter's GPA early in her college experience.
 
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I would recommend a little research to ensure the undergrad credits from the CC will transfer to whichever institution she will finish her degree.

My CC credits were accepted by some universities, but not all.

Unless it's changed, from what I understood anyway, was that CC credits would transfer to most public universities in Tennessee easily with the exception of the UT system. I think because they weren't part of the Tennessee Board of Regents. All of mine transferred easily when I went to a university. If you plan on a private university it's probably a whole different ballgame on what they will/will not accept.

I'm on mobile so I can't see your location. This applies to Tennessee, so I can't speak for other states.
 
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My school wanted me to retake it. After scoring a 34. They kept acting shocked that I told them no. My score was good enough to get accepted to Duke (my 3.5 GPA not good enough for a scholarship though). Just have her take it and see what happens from there. We can play the guessing game as long as you want, but the best bet is to just take it and go from there.

Yeah, that's what sucks a bit about the gpa stuff. I had friends, who have now gone on into engineering, nursing, etc who got into honors at UK. The ACT requirement is a 28 or 29 iirc. They had great high school gpas. Unfortunately here I was with a 34 as well, with a 3.2. or 3.3. Was frustrating as hell. Still got a good amount of money to UK, but kinda wish I got into honors and maybe even some of the full ride scholarships with a better gpa.

Tell McDaughter not to slack off senior year. Get some good grades and make sure the gpa improves or stays high. It pays off.
 
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Yeah, that's what sucks a bit about the gpa stuff. I had friends, who have now gone on into engineering, nursing, etc who got into honors at UK. The ACT requirement is a 28 or 29 iirc. They had great high school gpas. Unfortunately here I was with a 34 as well, with a 3.2. or 3.3. Was frustrating as hell. Still got a good amount of money to UK, but kinda wish I got into honors and maybe even some of the full ride scholarships with a better gpa.

Tell McDaughter not to slack off senior year. Get some good grades and make sure the gpa improves or stays high. It pays off.

I had a full ride to Tennessee and a 50% to Milligan (highest you could get there at the time). Milligan had already gone fully digital with their TV stuff and I was afraid I wouldn't focus enough at UT so I chose Milligan. Great education, but the name on the diploma doesn't matter nearly as much as people think. Should've went for free.
 
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I'm a current student at UK. Maybe I can help. Any questions, just ask.

As for testing, like the ACT/SAT, it's useful to find a good book, or even some prep classes. Sometimes the high school has teachers or after school stuff who will help. Mine didn't but, I heard other students had teachers who took time to practice. Simply googling ACT practice, or info about the ACT will help a ton. And remember, a good ACT will help a below average gpa. I got a very high ACT, my gpa was barely above average, but a lot of colleges would love that ACT score. Only problem is that the gpa might hold you back when you want to get into certain programs or scholarships. I don't know much about the SAT. I never took it. I applied to UK in November of my senior year. Got accepted around the end of year. I had considered Vandy, UL, and UT a bit. But I grew up around campus, and felt that UK had good enough programs to get my bachelors from and if I wanted to pursue further I could look around for the best specific university for my needs.

Im my experience, its best to go out and look for scholarships, than to expect them to come to you. There are tons of stuff out there. There are definitely going to be the standard university scholarships for gpa and etc, but lots of money is out there for stuff you wouldn't expect. A quick google search will reveal it.

I never officially visited anywhere. I've been on campus at UK more times than I can count. I had visited UL with a friend who went there. I knew people who attended Vandy and UT. I got their opinions on the school. I'm sure an official visit would be nice, but for me it wasn't a huge. issue. I would have been happy with a crappy campus if the programs were ok. If she's living on campus, then I would visit. Try to visit when you think it'll be nice too.

Key for application stuff and admissions is just get them done in timely fashion. If you're applying for multiple schools around, there is something called a Common Application, which makes sure you don't have to have to make an individual application for each school. Apply early, make sure you study on all applicable programs (like honors, etc). If you're getting FAFSA stuff, then do it early. I believe the window is different for each state, but at least in KY it opens early in the year and last for a long time until the middle of the year. Other states might have smaller windows.

As for application itself, just make sure you think of everything possible to make yourself look good. Teacher recommendations, clubs, sports, anything and everything. You want to make yourself a well rounded individual on an application. More than likely some applications (for UK at least) might have you write a short essay about something you've experienced, etc. I'm not sure how important it ultimately is, but dont rush through it and take it lightly.

As for college itself, the big thing is just to find a balance where you are comfortable. Learn where to study. If she's living on campus, maybe with a roommate or something, then use the libraries. You never know what might happen in a dorm. Tell her to relax. Lots of first year students get stressed and overwhelm themselves. Its important to have some way to enjoy yourself. I would probably blow up from all the crap I've gone through, if I didn't find a way to vent. Stuff isn't going to go a students way all the time, but you have to be able to stand up for yourself and do your best.

I'd say definitely try to advise her to get to know professors of classes she enjoys. I personally got to know a few, and ended up talking a lot with them outside of class. They can be great role models if its an area you're going into, and very helpful when it comes time for recommendations if you need them. Overall, it's important simply to just be able to get involved in some way. You won't gain anything by never speaking or having a voice. I learned that very quickly in a lot of my classes. It's best to get out of your comfort zone and do stuff.

The only thing I would have done differently in college is not declare my major when I started. I came on with a decent amount of college credit my first year. I declared history, having taken 3 AP History classes in high school and it being something interesting. I'll graduate with a history degree, but I can definitely say that you don't want to find yourself halfway down a path, questioning if you made the right choice. She can take her time and figure it out as she finishes her basics.

That was a lot more than I thought I would write, hope i helped in some small way.

He's asking about institutions of higher education, not UK. What you should have done differently is choose a real college.
 
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Yeah, that's what sucks a bit about the gpa stuff. I had friends, who have now gone on into engineering, nursing, etc who got into honors at UK. The ACT requirement is a 28 or 29 iirc. They had great high school gpas. Unfortunately here I was with a 34 as well, with a 3.2. or 3.3. Was frustrating as hell. Still got a good amount of money to UK, but kinda wish I got into honors and maybe even some of the full ride scholarships with a better gpa.

Tell McDaughter not to slack off senior year. Get some good grades and make sure the gpa improves or stays high. It pays off.

I will, cat. She's besties with the likely valedictorian and they keep we each other on track.

Mom and Dad would prefer a Christian College in a perfect world. Reality is that we will give highest consideration to scholarship offers (if any).
 
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There's a lot of good advice in here McDad. I've got two (a boy and a girl) in college right now, so I'll throw out something else to consider just because I haven't seen it mentioned yet... rooming conditions. This includes not only the physical room and conditions, but also the roommate(s). When visiting colleges make sure you ask to see the actual rooms your daughter will likely be in (not just the ones they want to show you... this is assuming she will be staying on campus) and also ask how roommates are chosen and issues are addressed if there are conflicts.

Being in an environment that is not conducive to good study habits is probably the biggest impact to your daughter's GPA early in her college experience.

Excellent. Not something I would have considered. Thank you.
 
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It's not a bad idea, but it does depend on how she'll handle her time. For instance 12 hours is only 4 classes (or 3 classes that each have a lab). So say she takes 2 MWF classes and 2 T/R courses. That means she's only in class 2 hours a day.

On the surface that seems great but that also means she has a ton of free time, and studying can quickly be put on the backburner.

My last two years of undergrad I did much better than my first two. Additionally I was working 30-35 hours a week my last two years. So I didn't have much free time, which forced me study whenever I did have time off.

Same thing during grad school. I had a 4.0 while going to school full time, writting a thesis, being a GTA, and working two outside jobs.

This is just my experience though, your daughter may be able to manage her free time better than I could at that age.

Also chances are she'll take one or two "throw away" courses that she just needs to meet hour requirements. For me these were the history of Rock N Roll and Volleyball. She could always take 12/13 hours and then a class like that to still hit 15/16 hours without adding any real extra additional course work.

Naturally, McDaughter has a considerable voice in the whole matter. But, I will advise her to take fewer hours initially and get involved in clubs, volunteer work, and shadowing professionals in her chosen field of study.
 
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Don't force her to take the ACT over and over and over again. Have her take it early to get a feel of how it actually works, then give her a break for a couple months, then have her get into the studying to retake it. Spending her entire time studying for that can harm her studying for classes and it can just fry her brain.

I was in band in HS and my parents forced me to take the test 3 total times, which wouldn't be awful if the 2nd wasn't while I was on a trip to Disney with the band. We had like 8 guys taking it at a high school in Orlando. It was each student's worst score.

We are planning on another ACT after a review course. Then, again senior year if needed.
She took it cold a few weeks ago. No study. Just to establish a baseline.

Side note: My HS band went to Disney, too. Good times!
 
#63
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It's not a bad idea, but it does depend on how she'll handle her time. For instance 12 hours is only 4 classes (or 3 classes that each have a lab). So say she takes 2 MWF classes and 2 T/R courses. That means she's only in class 2 hours a day.

On the surface that seems great but that also means she has a ton of free time, and studying can quickly be put on the backburner.

My last two years of undergrad I did much better than my first two. Additionally I was working 30-35 hours a week my last two years. So I didn't have much free time, which forced me study whenever I did have time off.

Same thing during grad school. I had a 4.0 while going to school full time, writting a thesis, being a GTA, and working two outside jobs.

This is just my experience though, your daughter may be able to manage her free time better than I could at that age.

Also chances are she'll take one or two "throw away" courses that she just needs to meet hour requirements. For me these were the history of Rock N Roll and Volleyball. She could always take 12/13 hours and then a class like that to still hit 15/16 hours without adding any real extra additional course work.

This. I was about 6 years before you, but I took 15 hours both semesters in my freshman year, and it was fine. 12 hours gives you a lot of free time as a freshman. Even at 15, it was a lot more fun than being in high school. You are still only in class 3 hours a day.

I was the opposite of most of you guys. I had a 4.0 after my freshman year and then fell off a bit after that. Classes got tougher, and with a good first year, I was ok with partying a little more.

I actually could have graduated in 3.5 but I convinced my parents to let me stay the final semester. I got a small scholarship through L&T (John Deere). I took 12 hours only on Tues-Thurs and it was fantastic.
 
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I had a full ride to Tennessee and a 50% to Milligan (highest you could get there at the time). Milligan had already gone fully digital with their TV stuff and I was afraid I wouldn't focus enough at UT so I chose Milligan. Great education, but the name on the diploma doesn't matter nearly as much as people think. Should've went for free.

Agreed. Where's Milligan?
 
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Agreed. Where's Milligan?

Between Johnson City and Elizabethton, TN. It's a non denominational Christian liberal arts school with heavy emphasis from the Church Of Christ denomination, even though they claim non denominational. I took some flack (jokingly) for having a Baptist/Methodist background, but I loved my time there. It was just REALLY expensive.

Bud Paxson, who founded the Home Shopping Network and PAX TV (now the ION Network) funded the Communications program, and funded the money so that Milligan went digital before any school in Tennessee, North Carolina and behind only one school in Virginia.
 
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Between Johnson City and Elizabethton, TN. It's a non denominational Christian liberal arts school with heavy emphasis from the Church Of Christ denomination, even though they claim non denominational. I took some flack (jokingly) for having a Baptist/Methodist background, but I loved my time there. It was just REALLY expensive.

Bud Paxson, who founded the Home Shopping Network and PAX TV (now the ION Network) funded the Communications program, and funded the money so that Milligan went digital before any school in Tennessee, North Carolina and behind only one school in Virginia.

I was born in JC and was raised COC. Ashamed I didn't know that
 
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Bump for folks that log in on Sunday. All perspectives are considered.

We've already altered some of our plans due to some of the feedback in this thread. So, thanks again.
 
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This. I was about 6 years before you, but I took 15 hours both semesters in my freshman year, and it was fine. 12 hours gives you a lot of free time as a freshman. Even at 15, it was a lot more fun than being in high school. You are still only in class 3 hours a day.

I was the opposite of most of you guys. I had a 4.0 after my freshman year and then fell off a bit after that. Classes got tougher, and with a good first year, I was ok with partying a little more.

I actually could have graduated in 3.5 but I convinced my parents to let me stay the final semester. I got a small scholarship through L&T (John Deere). I took 12 hours only on Tues-Thurs and it was fantastic.

I did all T/R classes the last 2 years, and substitute taught on M, W, F
 
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Advice for you McDad, officially change your name to "another $100 please".
 
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What is the earliest you all would recommend a student take their ACT? My son is a sophomore right now. He is in all honors/AP classes, with a 3.7 GPA. So I want to give him ample time to take it, but not too early or late.
 
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What is the earliest you all would recommend a student take their ACT? My son is a sophomore right now. He is in all honors/AP classes, with a 3.7 GPA. So I want to give him ample time to take it, but not too early or late.

If he's comfortable, I'd take it early next year. I waited til my senior year and likely would have gone into full panic mode had I bombed it.
 
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1. Take the act as many times as possible. You keep your best score from each compartment. If she doesn't do well on one section, focus in on that section and take it again. Take it everytime it's offered.

2. Consider going to community college for 2 years. It's a lot cheaper and most schools have so many freshmen and sophmores leave that it's easier to get in as a community college transfer.

1) is wrong. Don't listen to this guy

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What is the earliest you all would recommend a student take their ACT? My son is a sophomore right now. He is in all honors/AP classes, with a 3.7 GPA. So I want to give him ample time to take it, but not too early or late.

Junior year. You'll have plenty of time to take it a lot more before college.
 

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