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volfanbill said:
Beane is the biggest joke in all sports management.
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I don't get this. He basically revolutionized baseball by popularizing OBP over AVG.

we thought there was a decent chance that we could refute the economic claims in Moneyball, in particular that players with high OBP were under-priced in the labor market. Any card-carrying economist knows this is inconsistent with equilibrium in a well-functioning, competitive labor market, and were not baseball teams intensely competitive? But instead, Jahn and I found that high OBP players did come cheap, relative to the contribution of their skill to winning baseball games. Intriguingly however, we found that the “OBP discount” vanished in 2004, the year that Moneyball was published. The likely reason: other teams, like Michael Lewis, had looked into what was going on in Oakland, and hired people out of the A’s front office. Now there were multiple bidders for high-OBP players in baseball’s labor market, thus driving up their price.

The multiple bidder story seemed a plausible conjecture, and Hakes and I wanted to look deeper into it. This resulted in our second paper on the topic, which had several goals. First, we wanted to know if the mis-pricing was of short or long duration. We extended our sample back to the mid-1980s, and found that high OBP players were under-priced for the entire 1986-2003 period. Second, the 2004 “correction” was sustained in the subsequent two seasons. It was not a mirage. Finally, we separated walks from base hits in the OBP statistic, to further refine our sense of the source of the mis-pricing. We found the source of the mis-pricing lay in “plate discipline,” i.e. the ability to avoid swinging at bad pitches and accept taking a walk. Moreover, the changes in the returns to plate discipline over the entire period were huge. Compare two figures. In the early, pre-expansion period of 1986-1993, the estimated percentage boost in salary from a one standard deviation increase in the ability to take walks was a measly 2.8%. Post-Moneyball, the figure was 14.0%. The financial returns to the overlooked skill increased by a factor of five.
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n_huffhines said:
I don't get this. He basically revolutionized baseball by popularizing OBP over AVG.



The Return of Moneyball | The Sports Economist
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Why was that Moneyball team so good? They had AL MVP Miguel Tejada, All-World defensive specialist Eric Chavez who just happened to bat over .300 that year, another defensive stud in Mark Ellis to go along with Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder and Barry Zito all in their primes plus a dynamite bullpen carried by Billy Koch. It had little to do with Scott Hatteberg, David Justice. It defnitely had nothing to do with Jeremy Brown. In fact, the best Moneyball player drafted was Nick Swisher. Yeah, he's a great role player and adds value to a team, but he's not all worldly.

Also, to put away any other doubts, Sandy Alderson (who drafted Giambi, Tejada, The Big Three and Chavez) taught Beane everything he knows before getting going to work in the corporate offices for Selig.
 
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volfanbill said:
Why was that Moneyball team so good? They had AL MVP Miguel Tejada, All-World defensive specialist Eric Chavez who just happened to bat over .300 that year, another defensive stud in Mark Ellis to go along with Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder and Barry Zito all in their primes plus a dynamite bullpen carried by Billy Koch. It had little to do with Scott Hatteberg, David Justice. It defnitely had nothing to do with Jeremy Brown. In fact, the best Moneyball player drafted was Nick Swisher. Yeah, he's a great role player and adds value to a team, but he's not all worldly.

Also, to put away any other doubts, Sandy Alderson (who drafted Giambi, Tejada, The Big Three and Chavez) taught Beane everything he knows before getting going to work in the corporate offices for Selig.
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Ok. But why did everyone copy him?
 
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1972 Grad said:
It worries me when someone who doesn't like me is walking around with a box of crayons, and a twisted sense of reality.
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volfanbill said:
Look at your top teams and tell me who is copying him. There's technically one team, but it's ran by Beane's mentor
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Subjectively picking and choosing which teams we think are copying him would be futile. So arbitrary. You wouldn't accept anything i say. You want accept data that contradicts you for CS, why would you accept my opinion?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Subjectively picking and choosing which teams we think are copying him would be futile. So arbitrary. You wouldn't accept anything i say. You want accept data that contradicts you for CS, why would you accept my opinion?
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So no one. Got it.
 
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