Manafort Trial Thread Part II

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Manafort's banker has claimed he's been burglarized of all his electronics. He lives in a penthouse loft in billionaires row overlooking Central Park where there hasn't been a residential crime in years. Nothing suspicious about this at all.
 
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TennTom said:
Manafort's banker has claimed he's been burglarized of all his electronics. He lives in a penthouse loft in billionaires row overlooking Central Park where there hasn't been a residential crime in years. Nothing suspicious about this at all.
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I don’t want to hear your whining over it hillary....
 
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TennTom said:
Manafort's banker has claimed he's been burglarized of all his electronics. He lives in a penthouse loft in billionaires row overlooking Central Park where there hasn't been a residential crime in years. Nothing suspicious about this at all.
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He reported his briefcase, sneakers and iPad were stolen, police said.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/politics/judge-manafort-legal-team-dc/index.html

The judge who will oversee Paul Manafort's trial in Washington has warned members of the defense team several times about their behavior in court, including on Tuesday morning at a hearing.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson's message is clear: She's closely watching Manafort's lawyers -- especially lead defense attorney Kevin Downing -- to make sure they don't act out.

DC judge and Manafort team already clashing in court
 
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Mueller wants to review emails between Manafort, former lawyer

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team wants to review emails between Paul Manafort and one of his former lawyers — messages that would typically be protected by attorney-client privilege.

Manafort’s emails are a special case, Mueller’s team argued in a court motion Wednesday. Attorney-client privilege doesn’t apply when the client enlists a lawyer’s help to commit a crime — and that’s what Mueller’s team is arguing that Manafort did.

The special counsel asked the court’s permission to review “four documents.” It’s not clear what those messages contain. The sections of the motion that appear to describe them are redacted.
 
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Mick said:
It's good to know you don't think she should have been prosecuted.
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She should have. Comey laid off of her and said as much. She bleached hard drives and smashed cell phones. She destroyed evidence. Not the first time she's done that. Guilty people do guilty things. Not sure I see why you think Manafort's guilt or innocence should be tied to Hillary's guilt or innocence.
 
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Vol737 said:
She should have. Comey laid off of her and said as much. She bleached hard drives and smashed cell phones. She destroyed evidence. Not the first time she's done that. Guilty people do guilty things. Not sure I see why you think Manafort's guilt or innocence should be tied to Hillary's guilt or innocence.
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Where you been?







































Nobody cares.
 
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Vol737 said:
She should have. Comey laid off of her and said as much. She bleached hard drives and smashed cell phones. She destroyed evidence. Not the first time she's done that. Guilty people do guilty things. Not sure I see why you think Manafort's guilt or innocence should be tied to Hillary's guilt or innocence.
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And before you spout off again with your ignorance, you might want to read up on the Government's policy for data protection on used electronics. You will be enlightened.
 
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Mick said:
And before you spout off again with your ignorance, you might want to read up on the Government's policy for data protection on used electronics. You will be enlightened.
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Do these policies go into place before or after the feds subpoena them?
 
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Mick said:
And before you spout off again with your ignorance, you might want to read up on the Government's policy for data protection on used electronics. You will be enlightened.
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I'm sure it doesn't outline procedures for destroying evidence of a federal investigation. Ignorance? You can't see what's in plain sight.
 
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Vol737 said:
I'm sure it doesn't outline procedures for destroying evidence of a federal investigation. Ignorance? You can't see what's in plain sight.
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Evidence of what crime? Still desperate to find the crime I see. The crime where her server was hacked? The crime of Benghazi? Need something to support the crimes of the Clinton foundation?

For an administration desperate for a distraction surely Sessions can come up with something, anything to charge her with. Did you know Trump uses an unsecured phone? "lock him up'.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Anyone have the timeline on when devices were destroyed?
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Don't know that the exact timeline could be pinpointed. Believe between 2013 and her campaign. Politico had this:

According to FBI documents, investigators determined a total of thirteen devices were associated with Clinton’s two phone numbers and personal email domain, eight of which she used during her tenure as Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013. The FBI requested that all thirteen devices be handed over, but Clinton’s attorneys informed the FBI that they were “unable to locate any of these devices,” so the bureau was unable to examine them. Another Clinton aide, Huma Abedin, told FBI agents that the whereabouts of Clinton’s unwanted devices would “frequently become unknown.”
 
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Vol737 said:
Don't know that the exact timeline could be pinpointed. Believe between 2013 and her campaign. Politico had this:

According to FBI documents, investigators determined a total of thirteen devices were associated with Clinton’s two phone numbers and personal email domain, eight of which she used during her tenure as Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013. The FBI requested that all thirteen devices be handed over, but Clinton’s attorneys informed the FBI that they were “unable to locate any of these devices,” so the bureau was unable to examine them. Another Clinton aide, Huma Abedin, told FBI agents that the whereabouts of Clinton’s unwanted devices would “frequently become unknown.”
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I'm guessing the 13 devices were of people that had email accounts on the Clinton server. I suppose if it's a fact that they were destroyed after they were requested, that'd be more than suspicious. If not, I'm not sure if a law was broken, but possible I suppose.
 
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Stew Cook said:
So, upgrades?
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In essence, yes. When the FBI reviewed the server image there were MAC addresses accessing information stored on the server (likely email accounts) and they determined they were from people authorized to access that information but may not have been able to identify or locate the device used. Without being a fly on the wall at the FBI and the information available that is my best evaluation.
 
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Mick said:
In essence, yes. When the FBI reviewed the server image there were MAC addresses accessing information stored on the server (likely email accounts) and they determined they were from people authorized to access that information but may not have been able to identify or locate the device used. Without being a fly on the wall at the FBI and the information available that is my best evaluation.
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Comeys comments alone about it should have been enough for you

He didn’t recommend filling charges against her, but if mick did it, he’d recommend filing charges.

She broke the law. You or I would be in prison right now.
 
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Obsessed said:
Comeys comments alone about it should have been enough for you

He didn’t recommend filling charges against her, but if mick did it, he’d recommend filing charges.

She broke the law. You or I would be in prison right now.
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Yeah, maybe.. The mishandling classified info thing is pretty much a fact, at least mishandling headers and partial content. If somebody really wanted to pursue it, a little guy would probably be screwed.
 
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Obsessed said:
Comeys comments alone about it should have been enough for you

He didn’t recommend filling charges against her, but if mick did it, he’d recommend filing charges.

She broke the law. You or I would be in prison right now.
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I wouldn't be stupid enough to do it. If you want to compare an apple to an apple and the stupidity of using unsecure communications all you have to do is look at Trump's use of his unsecured phone.
 
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And, just to be clear, a pro-Russian party that helped Russia keep Ukraine under its Thumb.
 
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