Manufactured Fear

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TennNC

TennNC

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There is no reason to fear John McCain as president. Contrary to what some believe, a McCain presidency will not take away any Civil Rights you currently enjoy. He won't take away your job and leave you homeless. Hospitals won't turn you away if you're dying and need medical care. He isn't going to steal your food and give it to his rich buddies. He isn't going to start attacking every country who looks at us funny.

There is no reason to fear Barack Obama. Contrary to what some believe, he isn't going to turn your kids into sexually promiscuous drug users. He isn't going to set off terrorist attacks on US soil. He isn't going to burn your churches and cathedrals down and force people to build mosques and worship Allah. He isn't going to steal your food and give it to welfare queens. He isn't going to sit back and do nothing if we're threatened.

This is just a sample of what I'm referring to.

What manufactured fear are you sick of?
 
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TennNC said:
There is no reason to fear John McCain as president. Contrary to what some believe, a McCain presidency will not take away any Civil Rights you currently enjoy. He won't take away your job and leave you homeless. Hospitals won't turn you away if you're dying and need medical care. He isn't going to steal your food and give it to his rich buddies. He isn't going to start attacking every country who looks at us funny.

There is no reason to fear Barack Obama. Contrary to what some believe, he isn't going to turn your kids into sexually promiscuous drug users. He isn't going to set off terrorist attacks on US soil. He isn't going to burn your churches and cathedrals down and force people to build mosques and worship Allah. He isn't going to steal your food and give it to welfare queens. He isn't going to sit back and do nothing if we're threatened.

This is just a sample of what I'm referring to.

What manufactured fear are you sick of?
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I am sick of politicians expanding the role of government and eroding our liberty.
 
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TennNC said:
There is no reason to fear John McCain as president. Contrary to what some believe, a McCain presidency will not take away any Civil Rights you currently enjoy. He won't take away your job and leave you homeless. Hospitals won't turn you away if you're dying and need medical care. He isn't going to steal your food and give it to his rich buddies. He isn't going to start attacking every country who looks at us funny.

There is no reason to fear Barack Obama. Contrary to what some believe, he isn't going to turn your kids into sexually promiscuous drug users. He isn't going to set off terrorist attacks on US soil. He isn't going to burn your churches and cathedrals down and force people to build mosques and worship Allah. He isn't going to steal your food and give it to welfare queens. He isn't going to sit back and do nothing if we're threatened.

This is just a sample of what I'm referring to.

What manufactured fear are you sick of?
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so we shouldn't fear him passing law to allow late term-government paid abortions. we shouldn't fear him passing laws that state a kid doesn't have consult, inform or get permission from her parents before getting an abortion? obama wants to do that.

why is israel worried about an obama president if he's going to be tough with terrorists?

he doesn't need to turn our kids into sexually promiscuous kids, he'll appoint people into the education system to do that. of course many public schools in many states already teach kids about stuff like that.

he isn't going to steal food directly, but when he taxes me and my business, its just as close.

there is a lot to fear about an obama presidency.
 
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joevol320 said:
so we shouldn't fear him passing law to allow late term-government paid abortions. we should fear him passing laws that state a kid doesn't have consult or inform or get permission from her parents before getting an abortion. obama wants to do that. he hasn't suggested changing any abortion laws

why is israel worried about an obama president if he's going to be tough with terrorists? they're not. they gave him a standing ovation when he spoke to the AIPAC earlier this year. wrong again.

he doesn't need to turn our kids into sexually promiscuous kids, he'll appoint people into the education system to do that. of course many public schools in many states already do that. he doesn't appoint people into the education system outside the Department of Education. Most of that is on a state and local level. do you hear what you're saying, joe?

he isn't going to steal food directly, but when he taxes me and my business, its just as close. no it's not. it's nowhere close. did rich people suffer during clinton's years in office? during reagan's years in office? these are the tax levels we're talking about. bush gave the ultra rich one more yacht. i don't think that's worthy of invoking fear.

there is a lot to fear about an obama presidency. no, there isn't.
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c above.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
That would be one of a billion things the government does to erode our liberty.
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okay. any others you want to get off your chest? Now's your opportunity.

how else are they manufacturing fear to erode our liberty?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I would disagree about there not being fear about Obama being president.
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what do you fear then? what truly is worth you fretting as OE the Vn poster, as a gainly employed police officer, as a husband, father, son, brother, as an American - what is worth you letting fear into your being if Obama is the POTUS? Honestly?
 
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What Obama will do to the SCOTUS, who he'll appoint to his cabinet, his view on court mandated economic justice, "bottom up" economics are all things to fear from an Obama administration.
 
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joevol320 said:
so we shouldn't fear him passing law to allow late term-government paid abortions. we shouldn't fear him passing laws that state a kid doesn't have consult, inform or get permission from her parents before getting an abortion? obama wants to do that.

why is israel worried about an obama president if he's going to be tough with terrorists?

he doesn't need to turn our kids into sexually promiscuous kids, he'll appoint people into the education system to do that. of course many public schools in many states already teach kids about stuff like that.

he isn't going to steal food directly, but when he taxes me and my business, its just as close.

there is a lot to fear about an obama presidency.
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Reference the first post, see the above post.

joevol, cite for me a statement from Obama that he actually plans to EXPAND abortion rights, as opposed to not wanting to curtail them any further.

joevol, cite for me a statement by Obama that he is less than committed to defending Israel. joevol, cite for me any actual evidence that Obama would not be as staunch a supporter of Israel as would be McCain.

joevol, name three people that Obama has said he will put into the education system that are going to teach kids to be promiscuous. Just three.

There is a lot to fear about people who say there is a lot to fear about any presidency.
 
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TennNC said:
what do you fear then? what truly is worth you fretting as OE the Vn poster, as a gainly employed police officer, as a husband, father, son, brother, as an American - what is worth you letting fear into your being if Obama is the POTUS? Honestly?
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Can't speak for OE but for me it is the unknown. What little I have to go on doesn't sit well with me.
 
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TennNC said:
okay. any others you want to get off your chest? Now's your opportunity.

how else are they manufacturing fear to erode our liberty?
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1.) Abortion
2.) Guns
3.) Terrorism
4.) Retirement
5.) Healthcare
6.) Patriotism
7.) Living Wages
8.) Ownership
9.) Global Warming
10.) Climate Change
11.) Prescription Drugs
12.) Oil
13.) Natural Resource Preservation
14.) Poverty
15.) Welfare
16.) Drug War
17.) Pandemics
18.) Wall Street
19.) Stealth Helicopters, Naval Ships, Missile defense systems, Star Wars
20.) Racism
21.) Affirmative Action
22.) You owe taxes to the government
23.) Inports and Exports
24.) Nuclear Energy
25.) Coal Energy
26.) Water Turbines
27.) Congressional Cost of Living Wages
28.) Political Ideologies (Either party is the exact same)
29.) Stigmatization of minorities
30.) Oversimplification of complex and multifaceted situations
31.) Careful selection and omission of news
32.) Birth Control
33.) Optimism
34.) We the people
35.) Talk Radio

 
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I fear the Employee Free Choice Act which will remove the secret ballot when a union wants to move into a company. Personally, I don't want some union goon standing over me while I piss on the card he just handed to me.

I fear having a liberal democrat in the White House along with both Houses of Congress being led by liberal democrats. Imagine Barney Frank getting his wish and cutting the military budget by 25%.

I fear a President who has said, on record, that the Constitution is full of "negative liberties" and doesn't provide more detail on what government should do for the people.
 
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TennNC said:
what do you fear then? what truly is worth you fretting as OE the Vn poster, as a gainly employed police officer, as a husband, father, son, brother, as an American - what is worth you letting fear into your being if Obama is the POTUS? Honestly?
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Inexperience......... he will age just like W before our very eyes and what has shown us he can handle the job.
 
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lawgator1 said:
joevol, cite for me a statement by Obama that he is less than committed to defending Israel. joevol, cite for me any actual evidence that Obama would not be as staunch a supporter of Israel as would be McCain.
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I would say his close association with Arafat's former "press secretary" as a cause for concern in that area
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Inexperience......... he will age just like W before our very eyes and what has shown us he can handle the job.
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that's a legitimate cause for concern and scrutiny, but not fear.

TR was younger. JFK was younger. Clinton was about the same age. In retrospect, do you think US citizens should've feared during those presidencies?
 
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utvolpj said:
I would say his close association with Arafat's former "press secretary" as a cause for concern in that area
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and what do you think will or could happen as a result of this "close association," as you say? is that something you fear?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
What Obama will do to the SCOTUS, who he'll appoint to his cabinet, his view on court mandated economic justice, "bottom up" economics are all things to fear from an Obama administration.
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You honestly are afraid of a less conservative SC? You're afraid of people like Rubin and Colin Powell? You're afraid of giving the middle class a tax break and returning the upper tier to the levels they were at when Ronald Reagan was president? Or are you afraid of something that you predict will happen?

These are reasons to truly "fear"?
 
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TennNC said:
that's a legitimate cause for concern and scrutiny, but not fear.

TR was younger. JFK was younger. Clinton was about the same age. In retrospect, do you think US citizens should've feared during those presidencies?
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I would say yes under JFK.
 
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TennNC said:
You honestly are afraid of a less conservative SC? You're afraid of people like Rubin and Colin Powell? You're afraid of giving the middle class a tax break and returning the upper tier to the levels they were at when Ronald Reagan was president? Or are you afraid of something that you predict will happen?

These are reasons to truly "fear"?
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your semantics don't change anything.

Fear is probably too strong of a word, but let me give each some perspective.

Perpetuating the welfare state is anathema to all things American and the ideals upon which America's greatness is steeped. Economic justice is the worst rationalization term I have heard to date for robbing Peter to pay Paul. It smacks of taxing to give checks to those who remit no taxes and I find that the worst form of vote buying. That kind of frictional expense is exactly what the Swedes have today. No thanks.

Obama is far more liberal than RBG and his appointees would not shift the court left, but would ruin it as a decision making body representative of the people.

Pretending that Rubin and Powell will be the brunt of appointees is disingenuous at best, an outright lie at worst. There is a place for people like Ayers and Wright.

The Ronald Reagan language in nonsensical. If he had Reagan's views on reasonable expenditure of those funds, I'd be cool with it. However, his most discussed idea to date is supporting an absurd notion of "bottom up" economics.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
your semantics don't change anything.

Fear is probably too strong of a word, but let me give each some perspective.

Perpetuating the welfare state is anathema to all things American and the ideals upon which America's greatness is ruined. Economic justice is the worst rationalization term I have heard to date for robbing Peter to pay Paul. It smacks of taxing to give checks to those who remit no taxes and I find that the worst form of vote buying. That kind of frictional expense is exactly what the Swedes have today. No thanks.

Obama is far more liberal than RBG and his appointees would not shift the court left, but would ruin it as a decision making body representative of the people.

Pretending that Rubin and Powell will be the brunt of appointees is disingenuous at best, an outright lie at worst. There is a place for people like Ayers and Wright.

The Ronald Reagan language in nonsensical. If he had Reagan's views on reasonable expenditure of those funds, I'd be cool with it. However, his most discussed idea to date is supporting an absurd notion of "bottom up" economics.
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I'll respectfully agree to disagree on the bulk of the post. And I'll engrave as "absurd" the line in bold. And I think you know it's absurd. Certainly worlds more absurd than comparing Obama's tax structure on the top % of earners to Reagan's.
 
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