Martin has hired another assistant coach from MSU

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OrangeInKy said:
I can understand that question. I thought Marshall would be the guy and I really wanted him to be. That being said, I think it is entirely possible CCM could be a better hire. I like CCM a lot, but I would have been very pleased with Marshall. We got CCM and I understand the hire and gonna give the guy and the entire staff a chance.
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I agree he could be a better hire and has more potential and upside, and that's why he got hired. But on paper, Marshall is the more proven, established coach.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Wow... irrational much?

There is a huge difference in comparing Martin/Marshall to Coach K/Shaka.

Marshall has coached 12 years and gotten out of the 1st round one time. That hardly makes him superior over a guy who has coached 3 years and turned a bottom feeder into conference champions.

Martin appears to have potential to improve while Marshall has appeared to hit a wall.

Coach K has hit a wall too... it's called winning multiple championships.
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Missouri State wasn't a bottom feeder IMO. They actually had a better winining % the 3 previous seasons before Martin arrived then they have had in his 3 seasons.
 
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oklavol said:
Marshall took Winthrop to the NCAA tournament 7 times in addition to winning the NIT this year.


You criticize Marshall for not making the NCAA tournament at Wichita State in 4 years, but Martin didn't make it in 3 years either........
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And I told you, Wichita State was in the Sweet 16 a year before Marhall took over.

Missouri State had never even won a conference championship.

History would suggest that it's easier to win at Wichita State than Missouri State.

And I'm only criticizing Marshall because I don't think he is as great as you're making him out to be. I've seen nothing that would indicate he is superior to Martin.
 
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oklavol said:
Missouri State wasn't a bottom feeder IMO. They actually had a better winining % the 3 previous seasons before Martin arrived then they have had in his 3 seasons.
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Missouri State fans would disagree. They said Cuonzo Martin was left with absolutely nothing when he took over. They said he built the entire team out of juco transfers.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
And I told you, Wichita State was in the Sweet 16 a year before Marhall took over.

Missouri State had never even won a conference championship.

History would suggest that it's easier to win at Wichita State than Missouri State.

And I'm only criticizing Marshall because I don't think he is as great as you're making him out to be. I've seen nothing that would indicate he is superior to Martin.
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Respect your opinion and you make valid points. Marshall did great things at Winthrop though, that impresses me more than WSU
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LawVol13 said:
Marshall's good, but Martin's tenure at Missouri State was just as impressive as Marshall's has been at Wichita State.
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I agree, but Marshall has proven himself extensively and over the long run whereas Martin has not. I'm not dissatisfied with the Martin hire, but I'd rather have Marshall.
 
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The point of this thread was not to discuss CCM as the right hire but his decision to bring all his assistants with him. If Dooley would have brought his whole staff from La Tech with him, you know there would have been a Big Orange revolution. The point is he can attract much better assistants to Tennessee than those he had to settle with at Missouri State.
 
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Evaluating assistant coaches . . . taking armchair analysis to the next level.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
I agree, but Marshall has proven himself extensively and over the long run whereas Martin has not. I'm not dissatisfied with the Martin hire, but I'd rather have Marshall.
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I definitely agree with that Marshall is more established.
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
The point of this thread was not to discuss CCM as the right hire but his decision to bring all his assistants with him. If Dooley would have brought his whole staff from La Tech with him, you know there would have been a Big Orange revolution. The point is he can attract much better assistants to Tennessee than those he had to settle with at Missouri State.
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You don't know that though. Also, thus far he has hired 2 MSU asst coaches, not full staff. No reason to believe either are "scrubs". Furthermore, discussing CCM as right hire is relevant because a good hire will hire a good staff.
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#37
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oklavol said:
They are similar I think winning the NIT this year gives Marshall the edge. I think not making the NCAA tournament and getting eliminated in the NIT in the 2nd round with a team that started 4 seniors and a junior as a disappointing season for Missouri State.
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Wichita State was impressive in the NIT, no doubt. One could also look at that as a positive for Martin considering he swept them and kind of ran away with the conference title this year.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Wow... irrational much?

There is a huge difference in comparing Martin/Marshall to Coach K/Shaka.

Marshall has coached 12 years and gotten out of the 1st round one time. That hardly makes him superior over a guy who has coached 3 years and turned a bottom feeder into conference champions.

Martin appears to have potential to improve while Marshall has appeared to hit a wall.

Coach K has hit a wall too... his wall just happens to be multiple championships.
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The only year in recent memory that Missouri State has been a "bottom feeder" in the Valley was Martin's first year.
 
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[IQUOTE=oklavol;4873160]Their coach is better because he's made multiple trips to the NCAA tournament in addition to winning the NIT this year.[/QUOTE]

Irrelevant.! He has been there how long and what kind of team did he inherit and was he a member of the previous staff. This all plays a factor.
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#45
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
Why did he have to go to the FF if he was going to bring along another scrub from Mizzu State? The last few years have been one huge nightmare for a Vol fans.
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You're so bright. Why aren't you the head coach?

I will trust the judgement of Cupnzo Martin over the fallacious judgement of the so called nonsensical experts that know as much about roundball as Muslims know about Christianity.
 
#46
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
Why did he have to go to the FF if he was going to bring along another scrub from Mizzu State? The last few years have been one huge nightmare for a Vol fans.
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I don't understand why Coach Martin did not award you a contract to hire his coaches for him. You seem to be an expert.
 
#47
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
You are right, I forget we did hire their head coach and we know the Mizzou State BB program was an example of excellence over the last 3 years.
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Not many coaches have won 50 games in the last two years. I guess his assistants must have done something well.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Had a nice 2 years bouncing back from a depleted roster. I am sure Shaka Smart was a scrub 2 years ago as well. Not fair to label the guy a scrub just because we haven't heard of him or because he comes from mid major. Jason Shay came from UWM, was he a scrub too?
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Yes.
 
#49
#49
hatvol96 said:
Trying to pass Jones and Shay off as top notch assistants doesn't exactly help the case for Martin on this issue.
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Definitely not lauding them as great coaches. More just pointing out that the last regime, who so many are still wet in the pants over, did the same thing but how conveniently they forget.
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#50
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if you and they have found the honey pot with a 3000% pay increase. They just hit the jackpot and Mike idiot Hamilton is the sucker. Can't blame Martin for helping his buddies, UT is the laughing stock of the country and we have Hamilbum to blame.
 
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