Maui fire. What is going on?

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Deserves it's own thread. this is just the weirdest story and getting weirder by the day.

How is there already a book written, edited and published in 7 days? I mean are the burnt corpses of the kids even cold yet?


How strange is it that current Maui Police Chief John Pelletier was the incident commander during the Las Vegas massacre in 2017? Brought his Deputy from there as well.
Conservatives Alarmed After Report That Current Maui Police Chief Was Incident Commander During 2017 Las Vegas Massacre | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

Locals say they have never ever had a storm come from the east before, everything about this storm was odd.

Why are they now blocking aid to the people? Is it just a coincidence that large investment groups have been trying to buy up the local indiginous Hawaiians property without success? I supposed it's also just a coinky dink, they have plans to make Maui a test site for 15 minute smart cities, and have the entire island locked down via cameras and teh rest of the big brother technocratic controls.

How many people really died? Why do they seem to be blocking press, and truth of what happened?


They seem to be slow walking the real deathtoll which may easily be over 1000 dead, many of them kids who were at home as schools were closed.



I know there's alot of talk about DEWS etc..... I don't know about any of that, and have doubts to say the least. However it doesn't take sci fi conspiracy to see the realestate play here. It's right up there with giving small pox laden blankets to indians, or every other pinkerton story when someone was in the way of the railroad.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Deserves it's own thread. this is just the weirdest story and getting weirder by the day.

How is there already a book written, edited and published in 7 days? I mean are the burnt corpses of the kids even cold yet?


How strange is it that current Maui Police Chief John Pelletier was the incident commander during the Las Vegas massacre in 2017? Brought his Deputy from there as well.
Conservatives Alarmed After Report That Current Maui Police Chief Was Incident Commander During 2017 Las Vegas Massacre | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

Locals say they have never ever had a storm come from the east before, everything about this storm was odd.

Why are they now blocking aid to the people? Is it just a coincidence that large investment groups have been trying to buy up the local indiginous Hawaiians property without success? I supposed it's also just a coinky dink, they have plans to make Maui a test site for 15 minute smart cities, and have the entire island locked down via cameras and teh rest of the big brother technocratic controls.

How many people really died? Why do they seem to be blocking press, and truth of what happened?


They seem to be slow walking the real deathtoll which may easily be over 1000 dead, many of them kids who were at home as schools were closed.
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ButchPlz said:
The developers burning everything down to get at the land isn't even farfetched.
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Yeah, this to me is the more likely conspiracy if there actually is one. The whole DEWS laser thing, I mean, easy enough to start fires, no need to have USMC under WEF direction to do that.

That is definitely odd about the cops but I find the actions of the fire dept more troubling. Maybe this was an accident magnified by human error, cowardice, unpreparedness and stupidity. Or maybe some local play to grab the land that got out of hand.

We will see if a month from now WEF and multiple UN agencies come in with money to rebuild the area into a "15 min city"
 
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Gonna get a little nerdy here...

Once that fire started, they're was nothing that could stop it outside of an act of God. Even taking the fact there were only 200 firefighters on the whole island, it still wouldn't have helped. Basically this fire combined with the winds was going to "spot" way behind any fire lines they could establish. Spotting is where winds carry hot embers to new areas starting additional fires. It's way worse in grassy areas too.

Even in the residential areas there was no way out could have been stopped with the winds as they were. I'm not going to get into the conspiracy side of things, but once that fire started, it was never going to be stopped. We've got career firefighters on staff here a couple with 30-40 years of experience under their belt and they say the same thing...

The only way it could have been contained was an act of God.
 
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I have an idea, start a genuine go fund me for the Maui survivors to help make sure they do not have to sell their land.... and see if the powers that be are ok with that. I mean if it's all on the up and up why would they care? I mean surely they wouldn't want them broke and desperate would they? Haven't we been told all this time how desperately government wants to help "native Americans?"
 
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Question. Do most homeowners policies cover loss from a wildfire? I know for flooding, sink holes and earthquakes separate policies or riders have to be purchased to cover those losses.
 
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hog88 said:
Question. Do most homeowners policies cover loss from a wildfire? I know for flooding, sink holes and earthquakes separate policies or riders have to be purchased to cover those losses.
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Hawaii seems like it'd be high premiums for home insurance, between wind, flooding, fires, and freaking volcanoes.
 
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Gandalf said:
Yeah, this to me is the more likely conspiracy if there actually is one. The whole DEWS laser thing, I mean, easy enough to start fires, no need to have USMC under WEF direction to do that.

That is definitely odd about the cops but I find the actions of the fire dept more troubling. Maybe this was an accident magnified by human error, cowardice, unpreparedness and stupidity. Or maybe some local play to grab the land that got out of hand.

We will see if a month from now WEF and multiple UN agencies come in with money to rebuild the area into a "15 min city"
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In 20 years if this becomes an elite vacation suburb then we know the answer.
 
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hog88 said:
Question. Do most homeowners policies cover loss from a wildfire? I know for flooding, sink holes and earthquakes separate policies or riders have to be purchased to cover those losses.
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Most homeowners policies are going to cover wildfire. That's not to say that insurers may try to avoid areas succeptible to wildfire just as they might hurricanes other natural disasters.
 
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GAVol said:
Most homeowners policies are going to cover wildfire. That's not to say that insurers may try to avoid areas succeptible to wildfire just as they might hurricanes other natural disasters.
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Dunno if true, but according to that otehr video many of the policies are saying they will not honor them due to "zoning" violations. So people who thought they were protected were not. No idea if that is accurate yet though, but will be interesting to see if insurance is using loopholes to get out of honoring policies. Even more interesting is if those home owners are getting offers immediately following denials (as is also mentioned).....which would suggest collusion.
 
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hog88 said:
Question. Do most homeowners policies cover loss from a wildfire? I know for flooding, sink holes and earthquakes separate policies or riders have to be purchased to cover those losses.
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Generally speaking, yes. Premiums are higher in fire prone areas though. Most western states carry higher premiums in what they call the WUI for wildfires. (Wildland Urban Interface)
 
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Grand Vol said:
There's another company that's not selling new policies out there either. Don't remember which one, but it's a name brand.
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Can't blame them, how do you insure or underwrite an area that no longer honors basic rule of law? Have a feeling that the instability of the judicial system is the main reason insurance companies are abandoning California.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Can't blame them, how do you insure or underwrite an area that no longer honors basic rule of law? Have a feeling that the instability of the judicial system is the main reason insurance companies are abandoning California.
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No, it's the same reason Florida is in an insurance crisis. Areas prone to natural disasters (wildfires, hurricanes, etc.) are too risky to insure. Insurers are pulling out of FL in droves as well. It will be near impossible to insure properties in these states in a couple of years.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Can't blame them, how do you insure or underwrite an area that no longer honors basic rule of law? Have a feeling that the instability of the judicial system is the main reason insurance companies are abandoning California.
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Litigation environment is a huge factor. Alabama got awful with auto settlements back in the 90s and everybody got out of there.
 
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gcbvol said:
No, it's the same reason Florida is in an insurance crisis. Areas prone to natural disasters (wildfires, hurricanes, etc.) are too risky to insure. Insurers are pulling out of FL in droves as well. It will be near impossible to insure properties in these states in a couple of years.
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F^ck around with mother nature long enough and you're going to find out.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Generally speaking, yes. Premiums are higher in fire prone areas though. Most western states carry higher premiums in what they call the WUI for wildfires. (Wildland Urban Interface)
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That sounds like TikTok BS to me, but I'm sure it could happen. It'd be a major PR risk though for an insurer to start denying cat claims.
 
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