Maybe another memphis player now has questions around his SAT

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I think its ridiculous. 5 years and only NOW you bring it out? Perhaps there was an issue. From what I understand, his ACT/SAT score did raise a flag, but it was investigated on a school level and no fault was found. I believe what is happening is that homers in the media (such as those I list below) are taking what little dirt they can find and are blowing it up.

There are two journalist in Kentucky (Louisville cronies Pat Forde and Rick Bozich) that are spending their every waking moment trying to dismantle Calipari's image and status. I am not proclaiming Cal's complete innocence, but these guys are taking a small sample of opinion (as nothing is yet fact) and taking it over the top making accusations that as of yet are rash and unfounded.

It was Bozich last week that was blogging about John Wall not Qualifying and going to play for Greece. That story came out of NOWHERE, and has no credibility. I believe it is as you say, media adding fuel to the fire.
 
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Reggie92White said:
If Coach Cal was not UKs coach at this moment you would be all over this, Hardwood.
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I don't think you know me that well then my friend. There are several here that will tell you I don't see through blue goggles all the time. I have already stated in a few threads that I don't believe Cal to be a totally innocent person. He does alot of things in the grey area, thats for certain.

However, there is absolutely NO SUBSTANTIAL evidence as of YET that he had anything to do with it. If you have proof that Cal contacted and hired a local kid to take Rose's SAT for him, feel free to produce it.

It would not matter if it were coach Cal or effing Roy Williams at NC. Due process is due process, and its not be afforded to either Cal OR the University of Memphis. Whatever happens, happens. But I at least think they should wait for a verdict before crucifying people in the media.

Thats kind of like invading a country because they MIGHT have WMD's. You just don't do that.

Oh wait......
 
#5
#5
You don't always have the goggles on - I agree with that.
I also agree that it appears there is not enough to convict Cal for what happened at either UMass or Memphis.
But, when you add it all up, I think describing Cal as "not totally innocent" is rather light, and at least a little blue-goggled.

And, again, it's good to have reasonable fans from rival programs on this Board.
 
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VOL_FAN_in KY said:
Robert Dozier -- with a questionable SAT score. Says Georgia chose not to enroll him after it questioned his test. Probably just another coincidence or stroke of bad luck for Memphis, I'm certain.

courier-journal.com | Rick Bozich blog | The Courier-Journal


Is this the media adding fuel to the fire or is/was there a problem?
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Again, the NCAA Clearinghouse cleared Dozier also. This is ridiculous. How ridiculous? I believe that Tee Martin & Peerless Price had a questionable ACT scores. The NCAA should investigate this immediately and determine if the Vols NC season should be vacated.
 
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CALISKING said:
Again, the NCAA Clearinghouse cleared Dozier also. This is ridiculous. How ridiculous? I believe that Tee Martin & Peerless Price had a questionable ACT scores. The NCAA should investigate this immediately and determine if the Vols NC season should be vacated.
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Did Tee and PP take the ACT together?
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How long before someone looks into the work Dozier, Rose, etc., did at Memphis?
If someone will cheat to get into school, they will cheat at the school. It is clear that Dozier had someone else take the SAT. He then gained eligibility in a shop that has since been invalidated by the NCAA. And, he graduated from Memphis. Did he become a better student, or were there further shenanigans? And, it says in that article that he was verbally committed to Memphis when he hit the bogus SAT score.
 
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Furthermore, if any SEC school (admittedly besides maybe Vandy) refuses to admit a star recruit for a fishy score, that raises a tremendous red flag on the kid.
 
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Can you say "Lack of Institutional Oversight?"

Robert Dozier of Memphis Tigers had SAT invalidated - ESPN

This is my favorite part:

With his college basketball career on hold during the 2004-05 season, Dozier enrolled at Laurinburg Institute, a prep school in Laurinburg, N.C., where he played with future Memphis teammates Antonio Anderson, Kareem Cooper, Roburt Sallie and Shawne Williams.

Laurinburg Institute, which was founded in 1904, is the oldest of only four remaining African-American owned and operated boarding schools in the country. The school has an enrollment of 135 students, according to its Web site, and annual tuition costs are between $15,000 and $16,000. Laurinburg Institute claims jazz trumpeter Dizzy Gillespie and former NBA All-Star Charlie Scott -- the first black player in University of North Carolina history -- among its prominent alumni.

Laurinburg Institute became a pipeline for Memphis during Calipari's nine-year tenure. Former Memphis player Joey Dorsey also attended the school, which is located about 90 miles southeast of Charlotte. While at Laurinburg Institute, Dozier met the NCAA's initial eligibility requirements. He signed to play for the Tigers in November 2004 and enrolled the next year.

In 2007, the NCAA launched a three-year investigation of Laurinburg Institute during its review of college prep schools around the country. In May, the NCAA announced it would no longer accept courses, grades and diplomas from Laurinburg Institute because of concerns about its academic programs and oversight.
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
I think its ridiculous. 5 years and only NOW you bring it out? Perhaps there was an issue. From what I understand, his ACT/SAT score did raise a flag, but it was investigated on a school level and no fault was found. I believe what is happening is that homers in the media (such as those I list below) are taking what little dirt they can find and are blowing it up.
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Are you kidding me?

"Of greatest concern is the gross inconsistency in his testing record," the committee wrote in its report. "His [SAT verbal score of 590] would place him in the 76th percentile nationally, while his [SAT math score of 670] places him in the 89th percentile. This raises a serious red flag, since his PSAT from October 2000 places him in the 4th percentile nationally in both areas. Such a remarkable improvement in testing abilities in the span of nine months is highly improbable, particularly for a student with a C-minus record in average college prep courses in high school."

ETS officials offered Dozier a chance to validate his score by taking the SAT again. Dozier took the test in July 2004 and scored 720 -- 540 points less than his earlier score.

As a result, ETS officials canceled the score from his first SAT. Adams denied Dozier's admission application to UGA on Aug. 18, 2004.
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Yeah, I think it's rather obvious that Dozier cheated on his first SAT attempt (while he was a Memphis verbal).

I wonder how legit his "education" at UM was.
 
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I love how, in their zeal to take shots at Memphis, everyone is missing the key part of the Dozier situation. The invalidated test score wasn't used to gain admission. He received a qualifying score that nobody, neither the NCAA nor the testing agency, questioned. This is the type of garbage reporting sports fans get when mental midgets like Mark Schlabach try to play Mike Wallace.
 
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That's true, but the eligibility factory / UM pipeline that he used to gain eligibility was later invalidated by the NCAA. That doesn't make him ineligible, sure, but Cal knew what bogus "school" to send players to.
 
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ukvols said:
That's true, but the eligibility factory / UM pipeline that he used to gain eligibility was later invalidated by the NCAA. That doesn't make him ineligible, sure, but Cal knew what bogus "school" to send players to.
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Oh my God! Someone being smart enough to manipulate an asinine system to his advantage. How awful!
 
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hatvol96 said:
I love how, in their zeal to take shots at Memphis, everyone is missing the key part of the Dozier situation. The invalidated test score wasn't used to gain admission. He received a qualifying score that nobody, neither the NCAA nor the testing agency, questioned. This is the type of garbage reporting sports fans get when mental midgets like Mark Schlabach try to play Mike Wallace.
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Thank you for stating the obvious. Of course this doesn't sell newspapers or get internet hits like a sensationalized, manufactured story.
 
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ukvols said:
Yeah, I think it's rather obvious that Dozier cheated on his first SAT attempt (while he was a Memphis verbal).

I wonder how legit his "education" at UM was.
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It is irrelevant. That score was not used to gain admittance to Memphis. They saw nothing wrong with it nor did the NCAA Clearinghouse.

Degree is legit. It is not unheard of for an inner city kid who barely gets into college to earn a degree. Especially an athlete who has probably more at his disposable to getting help. For the first time in most of these kids' lives, they have someone making them go to class, study hall, tutoring, etc. This is not unique to the U of M.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Did Tee and PP take the ACT together?
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Sarcasm on absurdity of situation. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years it shouldn't matter. Especially when the very organization who is supposed to police and approve these scores/grades looks at them, investigates, and clears them to play.
 
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