MBB: Elite Jobs?

#26
#26
Elite, as in if you don't have a job on this list you are leaving your current gig.

Kentucky
UCLA
UNC
Duke
Michigan State
Indiana
Louisville
Kansas

IMO, I leave UConn, Syracuse, Florida, etc. for any of the above



Elite as in when I think college basketball who comes to mind?

The same as above but I add UConn, Syracuse, Butler, Florida, Villanova, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Arizona, Oregon, Baylor, and the likes
 
#27
#27
butchna said:
UNC
Kansas
UCLA
Kentucky

Programs that a good HC can win NCs at. No huge buildup needed.

Arizona
Illinois
Indiana
Duke
Louisville
Syracuse

Premier programs that can be down but built up in pretty much a minimum of time. Need more than simply a good coach to reach the promised land tho.

That's it for me. Lotta great programs just under these imo...but these are the standardbearers.
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I don't see Illinois as elite. Potential, yes, but not elite. Elite programs actually attract elite players and win titles. Illinois hasn't done this. St. Louis has alot of good talent but that doesn't make Mizzou an elite program.

This is why Cuonzo Martin is such a big deal: a coach from that area with tons of NBA and NCAA experience who may be able to finaly build a connection between St. Louis and Mizzou basketball

Mizzou and Illinois are sort of a "Texas A&M" of basketball (to some degree). The competition over recruiting territory has led to a rivalry over the years.
 
#29
#29
KCMOTIGERS said:
I don't see Illinois as elite. Potential, yes, but not elite. Elite programs actually attract elite players and win titles. Illinois hasn't done this. St. Louis has alot of good talent but that doesn't make Mizzou an elite program.

This is why Cuonzo Martin is such a big deal: a coach from that area with tons of NBA and NCAA experience who may be able to finaly build a connection between St. Louis and Mizzou basketball

Mizzou and Illinois are sort of a "Texas A&M" of basketball (to some degree). The competition over recruiting territory has led to a rivalry over the years.
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Mizzou dreams of being on the same level as Illinois...and fecal swastikas.
 
#33
#33
05_never_again said:
I think a good way of figuring out what the elite programs are is just going down this list, and you hit them all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men's_Division_I_Final_Four_appearances_by_school

I think there are a few other programs that meet your definition of "have the ability to be a recruiting Juggernaut and have the $$$ to get the staff they want and keep them for a long stay," but either are far removed from their last title or do not have the pedigree/tradition of the blue bloods. They'd include:

UCLA
Indiana
Ohio State
Syracuse
UConn
Florida
Georgetown
Michigan
Arizona
Villanova
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Huskies are well on their way to being an afterthought, middle of the pack program.
 
#34
#34
butchna said:
Underwood will change that. Runs an exciting system. Going to be scary. :)
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He's a great coach who will attract his share of talent. But I don't think getting the elite guys from Chicago to choose Illinois over Duke and Kentucky will be as easy as you think. K is from Chicago too
 
#35
#35
NashVol11 said:
He's a great coach who will attract his share of talent. But I don't think getting the elite guys from Chicago to choose Illinois over Duke and Kentucky will be as easy as you think. K is from Chicago too
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Whenever they've had a coach with a pulse they've pulled the best out of there. Back to that.
 
#36
#36
Someone posted somewhere that they remembered when college basketball was all about the big east and acc.

Out of the 16 teams left in the tourney, 1 is from those leagues.

Only 1 team from the original big east even made the tourney.

Things change, but ucla belongs on that list. Even post wooden, they've got several final fours and a title
 
#38
#38
butchna said:
Mizzou dreams of being on the same level as Illinois...and fecal swastikas.
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Lets be real: neither Mizzou or Illinois have won the national championship. 0 titles, unless you want to count Missouri's pre-tournament titles (I don't) That's why they are on a similar level and will be until one of us wins a title.

Elite programs win titles. Mizzou and Illinois are merely historically solid programs with alot of potential.
 
#39
#39
I think when it comes to college hoops and probably even college football there are 5 levels.

Elite Teams- Teams that annually compete for National Championships

Blue Blood Programs- Teams with rich history that have won multiple championships

Top Notch Programs- Programs with a rich history and are annually Top 40 programs

Middle of The Pack Programs- Programs in solid conferences that have the POTENTIAL to challenge

Career Advancing Programs- Programs that are solid or mid majors that are used to advance a coaches career

The Bottom Feeders- Programs that have no history or winning or the lack of commitment to win
 
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#40
#40
Hoosier_Vol said:
I think when it comes to college hoops and probably even college football there are 4 levels.

Elite Teams- Teams that annually compete for National Championships
Blue Blood Programs- Teams with rich history that are still legit Top 40 programs
Middle of The Pack Programs- Programs in solid conferences that have the POTENTIAL to challange

Career Advancing Programs- Programs that are solid or mid majors that are used to advance a coaches career

The Bottom Feeders- Programs that have no history or winning or the lack of commitment to win
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I'm not sure if I'd call "top 40" teams blue bloods. Mizzou is typically ranked in the top 40 of all programs (not sure if this has changed since Kim Anderson was hired). There are only a handful of schools that have won the NCAA tournament
 
#41
#41
KCMOTIGERS said:
I'm not sure if I'd call "top 40" teams blue bloods. Mizzou is typically ranked in the top 40 of all programs (not sure if this has changed since Kim Anderson was hired). There are only a handful of schools that have won the NCAA tournament
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You are correct my friend, I revised my list! :salute:
 
#42
#42
"Elite teams" and "blue blood programs" are two different things. Elite teams are transient. Blue blood programs, not so much.

Elite teams may or may not be blue blood programs. Blue blood programs may or may not have elite teams.

The point is that there are about 15-20 jobs in college basketball where if you got a good coaching staff in place, that school would be able to keep them and make consistent tournament runs with them for extended periods of time. Some of these programs are blue bloods and others are not:

UNC
Kentucky
Duke
Michigan State
Louisville
Kansas
UCLA
Indiana
Ohio State
Syracuse
UConn
Florida
Georgetown
Michigan
Arizona
Villanova
 
#43
#43
KCMOTIGERS said:
Lets be real: neither Mizzou or Illinois have won the national championship. 0 titles, unless you want to count Missouri's pre-tournament titles (I don't) That's why they are on a similar level and will be until one of us wins a title.

Elite programs win titles. Mizzou and Illinois are merely historically solid programs with alot of potential.
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Illinois hasn't had the HC to win a title. Doesn't matter if Mizzou has or not. Some schools just have all the criteria and simply need the pilot. Illinois in a nutshell. Underwood will win a NC within 5 years.
 
#45
#45
butchna said:
Illinois hasn't had the HC to win a title. Doesn't matter if Mizzou has or not. Some schools just have all the criteria and simply need the pilot. Illinois in a nutshell. Underwood will win a NC within 5 years.
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Bill Self couldn't win a title there. He jumped ship for Kansas at the first opportunity. Very telling in alot of ways
 
#46
#46
KCMOTIGERS said:
Bill Self couldn't win a title there. He jumped ship for Kansas at the first opportunity. Very telling in alot of ways
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That Kansas is a top 3 job? About it. He was only at Illinois for 3 seasons and took them to the Elite 8. Not seeing your "couldn't". :lol:
 
#47
#47
KCMOTIGERS said:
Bill Self couldn't win a title there. He jumped ship for Kansas at the first opportunity. Very telling in alot of ways
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That's a great point. I was inclined to agree with the point somebody made about since Chicago is in-state they should be able to compete but not sure I can refute this point.

Of course, there are lots of other good programs (programs even better than Illinois) you'd leave to go Kansas too.
 
#48
#48
05_never_again said:
That's a great point. I was inclined to agree with the point somebody made about since Chicago is in-state they should be able to compete but not sure I can refute this point.

Of course, there are lots of other good programs (programs even better than Illinois) you'd leave to go Kansas too.
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How about UNC? Took Dean Smith 21 years to win a NC there. Hack program? What if he had left after 3 to go back to his alma mater Kansas? :question:
 
#49
#49
Elite Teams- UK, Kansas, UNC, Duke, Michigan State and Louisville

Blue Blood Programs- UCLA, Indiana, UConn, Syracuse, Arizona

Top Notch Programs- Purdue, Ohio State, Florida, Nova, Butler, Arkansas, Texas, Wisconsin

Middle of The Pack Programs- Tennessee, Illinois, NC State, Wake Forrest, Oklahoma State, Gonzaga, Wichita State

Career Advancing Programs- Ball State, Middle Tennessee State, Western KY

This list is in NO WAY complete just a few examples in my opinion
 
#50
#50
Opinions. :lol:
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