McCain a Socialist?

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No one has ever accused John McCain of being a conservative.

McCain isn't the socialist in this election. That would be Obama.
 
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George W. Bush is a socialist now too. What's the world coming to?
 
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In Debate, McCain Touted Mortgage Plan Already Proposed By Obama

Seriously I couldnt believe John proposed that tonight. I talked to my uncle who is a Die Hard Conservative and he was mad to all hell at McCain after the debate.

I dont understand why McCain would do something that stupid. He has made a lot of Free Market Conservatives mad.

Palin mentioned doing something "for the greater good" in the VP debate too.

So, I guess we're turning Socialist no matter who wins.
 
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Palin mentioned doing something "for the greater good" in the VP debate too.

So, I guess we're turning Socialist no matter who wins.

greater good is different than "collective good"
 
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Palin's "greater good" is achieved when the government gets out of the way.

Obama's "collective good" is achieved when the government enforces "fairness"
 
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Palin's "greater good" is achieved when the government gets out of the way.

"government getting out of the way" is irrelevant to "greater good."

It might be beneficial to "individual achievement" in some cases, but it does not inherently make "greater good" more doable.

You and others say you hate government, but what you hate is government that doesn't work.

It worked when we defeated the enemy during WWII. It worked when we sent a man to the moon. When we developed satellite technology. When we developed the basis for the modern-day Internet (spare me the Al Gore jokes, please), when we gave all americans the right to vote, when we built bridges and interstates and airports, when we funded research to cure diseases, etc.

Take it away, and I guarantee the "greater good" would not be better off. Individuals on their own can only do so much. Resources pooled can do the extraordinary.
 
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"government getting out of the way" is irrelevant to "greater good."

It might be beneficial to "individual achievement" in some cases, but it does not inherently make "greater good" more doable.

You and others say you hate government, but what you hate is government that doesn't work.

It worked when we defeated the enemy during WWII. It worked when we sent a man to the moon. When we developed satellite technology. When we developed the basis for the modern-day Internet (spare me the Al Gore jokes, please), when we gave all americans the right to vote, when we built bridges and interstates and airports, when we funded research to cure diseases, etc.

Take it away, and I guarantee the "greater good" would not be better off. Individuals on their own can only do so much. Resources pooled can do the extraordinary.

I know I am a broken record, but the government about blew it because the country ran out of money.

The rest of what you mention is hogwash, that is achievement of the american worker, not the freakin' government!
 
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ok, how about a government that stays within the framework of the Constitution? Most of your examples are of the government acting within it's Constitutional boundaries.
 
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ok, how about a government that stays within the framework of the Constitution? Most of your examples are of the government acting within it's Constitutional boundaries.

I, for one, are glad we have amendments. And I'd bet every African-American and woman is too, for starters.
 
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"government getting out of the way" is irrelevant to "greater good."

but the conversation about how to achieve the greater good is absolutely relevant.

It might be beneficial to "individual achievement" in some cases, but it does not inherently make "greater good" more doable.

nothing makes greater good more doable, including government solutions.

You and others say you hate government, but what you hate is government that doesn't work.

I personally hate pervasive government and the pervasive kind definitely doesn't work.

It worked when we defeated the enemy during WWII. It worked when we sent a man to the moon. When we developed satellite technology. When we developed the basis for the modern-day Internet (spare me the Al Gore jokes, please), when we gave all americans the right to vote, when we built bridges and interstates and airports, when we funded research to cure diseases, etc.

Most of the list is simply government funding of privatized operations. Gov't doing war is its function and I'm proud of it there. It did that exceedingly well in Iraq, too. Sending man to the moon has done nothing for the greater good. Satellites matter. Right to vote is simply the belated recognition of a right that should have existed from day one. That's not good gov't. Rest of the list is primarily private activity, especially cures for diseases.

Take it away, and I guarantee the "greater good" would not be better off. Individuals on their own can only do so much. Resources pooled can do the extraordinary.
Individuals with proper motivation are the route to the extraordinary. Resources they can figure out.
 

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