McCain files paperwork

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CSpindizzy said:
What is not Reaganesque about his positions? The reason I ask is that people seem to be on this 'hate McCain' bandwagon but when pushed for reasons very few can even offer anything legitimate.

Considering he is considered one of the most conservative Senators in Congress I am just curious as to why he is not Reaganesque. On the immigration issue, I remind you that Reagan's administration was responsible for the largest amnesty program in our nation's history. But yet McCain is far out?

On the torture line, people will often give up info when threatened with life. Who is to say this info is going to be reliable? Plus with low level combatants being captured as well as the cell structure being what the terrorists use, the reliability factor is diminished.

I think he is more an expert at techniques used and the psyche of a prisoner under torture than most who merely read books and watch movies like Rambo.
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The American Conservative Union, ranks him 8th on a list of 8 republicans that are potential presidential nominees. Not sure what all they use, but evidently they agree in terms of not seeing McCain as very conservative.
 
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ACU is a very biased group. I take little of what they offer as legitimate. They also list Johnny Isakson of GA as 100% rating for the Senate. Isakson is NOT conservative. Every campaign he's ever run, he's been the centrist/moderate in the race. He's pro-choice and not very right on social issues.

Groups like this will pick and choose bills to their liking and rank on those bills. They take no accounting of everything in the bills as well. Taking about 10 bills and labeling someone as a conservative on that alone is completely bogus.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
ACU is a very biased group. I take little of what they offer as legitimate. They also list Johnny Isakson of GA as 100% rating for the Senate. Isakson is NOT conservative. Every campaign he's ever run, he's been the centrist/moderate in the race. He's pro-choice and not very right on social issues.

Groups like this will pick and choose bills to their liking and rank on those bills. They take no accounting of everything in the bills as well. Taking about 10 bills and labeling someone as a conservative on that alone is completely bogus.
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Of course they are biased, biased towards what they consider conservative. But they have picked some things that they consider to be "conservative" values. Not sure exactly what they are as I do not know anything about them. But using the rules that they created for themselves, he falls to the bottom on their list. I think that falls in line with people's perception that he is not conservative.
 
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Disregard. I found it. Note that the ones they list are for the most part not legitimate contenders. Note also that many others such as Romney and Giuliani are not rated as well.
 
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I think people say that McCain is "wishy-washy" on issues and that without realizing it they might not know why...this has been said for years. It might be due in part to the fact that although McCain is certainly conservative and his voting record proves it, he contradicts himself in interviews. One example of this is his stance on Gay Marriage...he does not support a constitutional ban on it, but in an interview he made a comment to the effect that, "If people want to hoave private ceremonies or something, that's fine, but I don't think it should be legal."

Another reason McCain might be considered wishy-washy is that he is in fact approved of by the majority of voters across the board...liberals like him, conservatives like him, and independants like him. He might be one to watch--I think he'd be a strong candidate.
 
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another strike against McCain are his health issues. He's a cancer survivor and the stress of being CnC could cause a relapse. That shouldn't disqualify him, but it should be considered.

I don't see the GOP being able to post a strong candidate for president in 08. Unlike 1994, it's become a party of poll watchers who favor political expedience and political correctness over principled stands on issues such as taxes and national defense.
 
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Stress of the job in general applies to everyone. Who's to say what we do and do not already know about the conditions of the others? Giuliani is a cancer survivor as well.
 
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didn't I say that being a cancer survivor wasn't a disqualifier but should be considered? don't you think the media is going to jump on any Presidential candidate's medical history. McCain has gotten a pass in the media largely for the perceived screwing he got in SC and his image as a "maverick". If he's made the candidate, the gloves will be off and the media won't be as forgiving.
 
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Yes I read what you said. But I said that this should apply to everyone. In addition we are not fully aware of everyone's medical history. Cheney's mulitple heart issues was an issue but he still made it in. I don't think the media is going to make a huge issue of people's illnesses unless it is something like what has already been brought up on McCain - the Manchurian Candidate crap. No one will touch the cancer issue since it will affect Giuliani as well and who knows who else.
 
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Speaking of the Manchurian candidate :p, any truth to it? Has he ever said what information he actually provided while being "questioned" and considered "royalty" while he was a POW? Why is he ok with renewing business with the Vietnamese and dropping sanctions? This is one old skeleton that I wasn't around for, but I have heard this one come out of the closet more than once.
 
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Considering Bush has the same policy we have to question if the grand conspiracy is even larger than that. Add that to the fact that Communism is essentially dead.
 
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Look at the growth of our own government, corporate welfare, etc. Good to know even those who call themselves GOP have some socialist tendencies.
 
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