McCain's Clarity vs. Obama's Nuance

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TennNC said:
Of course they both play politics.

But in this instance (Saddleback), it was absolutely true. In the instance of energy policy, was absolutely true. But, you see, most people, like Quinn, want to curl up in the fetal position and get an easily digestible answer, when the reality is that an easily digestible answer is often times a lie.
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How about when Obama talks at the NAACP? At a union event? Is he giving easily digestible answers then? (Hint: the answer is yes) So what if Obama was more nuanced in a relatively disadvantageous situation - is that a sign of strength or CYA? Some people's nuance is others dodging of taking a position. According to this logic, McCain was more nuanced at the NAACP. Hurray for McCain.

Energy policy? McCain's has been broader and encompassing more options than has Obama's. I fail to see the larger nuance in Obama's position.
 
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TennNC said:
Quinn, however, did nothing to reduce McCain's performance.
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I disagree. She's suggesting his world view is a fantasy (or at least his views here). The imagery is designed to reduce the validity of McCain's statements and positions. You agree with it - that's fine but it is certainly a commentary that is pro-Obama and gets to that point by questioning the validity and applicability of McCain's performance.
 
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volinbham said:
Energy policy? McCain's has been broader and encompassing more options than has Obama's. I fail to see the larger nuance in Obama's position.
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Not at all, my friend.

He has ridden the drilling wave, and he will continue to ride it. He bashes Obama for one of his many points about energy policy (inflating your tires), then agrees that we should, in fact, inflate our tires. His energy policy has one message: drill.
 
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volinbham said:
I disagree. She's suggesting his world view is a fantasy (or at least his views here). The imagery is designed to reduce the validity of McCain's statements and positions. You agree with it - that's fine but it is certainly a commentary that is pro-Obama and gets to that point by questioning the validity and applicability of McCain's performance.
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what's your POV on those issues? When does life begin? is offshore drilling the answer? is the only evil we face that of radical islamists?
 
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TennNC said:
what's your POV on those issues? When does life begin? is offshore drilling the answer? is the only evil we face that of radical islamists?
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Not sure where life begins - tough issue and I can see why people hold specific views on both sides of the issue. My view is that it is somewhere between conception and birth but I honestly have no idea.

Offshore drilling is part of the answer - McCain has advocating drilling, coal, nukes, solar, bio, wind, etc. To characterize his as drill only is misleading - something you chastise us about when it comes to Obama comments.

No on Isamist terrorist - but again I think you are mischaracterizing McCain's statements. Oddly enough, I watched Obama's speech at a VFW today and he basically talked only about the threat from Islamist terrorists - I guess that's the only evil he sees.
 
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TennNC said:
Not at all, my friend.

He has ridden the drilling wave, and he will continue to ride it. He bashes Obama for one of his many points about energy policy (inflating your tires), then agrees that we should, in fact, inflate our tires. His energy policy has one message: drill.
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That is exactly like saying that Obama's energy policy consists of one message: properly service your car!

Both are intellectually dishonest!
 
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TennNC said:
Not at all, my friend.

He has ridden the drilling wave, and he will continue to ride it. He bashes Obama for one of his many points about energy policy (inflating your tires), then agrees that we should, in fact, inflate our tires. His energy policy has one message: drill.
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Here's his policy statements:

Drilling, coal, nukes, wind, battery, solar, conservation, etc.



John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President
 
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KB5252 said:
That is exactly like saying that Obama's energy policy consists of one message: properly service your car!

Both are intellectually dishonest!
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Except for the fact that Obama doesn't hammer that one point home like McCain does - every time I see him, it's part of a broader package. When McCain is speaking to a bunch of Harley riders and says, "Obama doesn't want to drill, he wants you to inflate your tires," that's intellectually dishonest.
 
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TennNC said:
Except for the fact that Obama doesn't hammer that one point home like McCain does - every time I see him, it's part of a broader package. When McCain is speaking to a bunch of Harley riders and says, "Obama doesn't want to drill, he wants you to inflate your tires," that's intellectually dishonest.
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For the love of God - do you not think Obama does exactly the same thing?

In Iraq for 100 years ring a bell?

Rich is $5 million - (a joke by McCain)

3rd term of W?



The list is long - I honestly can't see how you would accuse McCain of these things while acting as if Obama doesn't do it also.
 
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volinbham said:
1) Not sure where life begins - tough issue and I can see why people hold specific views on both sides of the issue. My view is that it is somewhere between conception and birth but I honestly have no idea.

2) No on Isamist terrorist - but again I think you are mischaracterizing McCain's statements. Oddly enough, I watched Obama's speech at a VFW today and he basically talked only about the threat from Islamist terrorists - I guess that's the only evil he sees.
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1) So you agree with Obama on this point.

2) "I will follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell." I guess he just left out the part about following all the other evil to the gates of hell too.
 
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TennNC said:
Except for the fact that Obama doesn't hammer that one point home like McCain does - every time I see him, it's part of a broader package. When McCain is speaking to a bunch of Harley riders and says, "Obama doesn't want to drill, he wants you to inflate your tires," that's intellectually dishonest.
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And Obama does not criticize McCain in the same way? I have heard Obama do this on more than one occasion.

Obama made the inflated tire statement saying it would make up for the price of oil. It was misinterpreted data and a rather naive statement. Any presidential candidate would jump on that statement, including Obama.
 
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TennNC said:
1) So you agree with Obama on this point.

2) "I will follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell." I guess he just left out the part about following all the other evil to the gates of hell too.
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I believe you've mentioned you are open to more drilling so you agree with McCain on that point.

So we only use one statement to form a conclusion?

Ironically, if you listened to Obama at the VFW today you'd have to conclude that UBL/OBL is the only evil he sees as well. In fact, he indicated he'll go further (I guess into Hell) to get him. So much for nuance.
 
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TennNC said:
what's your POV on those issues? When does life begin? is offshore drilling the answer? is the only evil we face that of radical islamists?
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No, the the bigger evil we face is Obama as president.
 
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volinbham said:
I believe you've mentioned you are open to more drilling so you agree with McCain on that point.

So we only use one statement to form a conclusion?

Ironically, if you listened to Obama at the VFW today you'd have to conclude that UBL/OBL is the only evil he sees as well. In fact, he indicated he'll go further (I guess into Hell) to get him. So much for nuance.
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What did he say?
 
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volinbham said:
1) I believe you've mentioned you are open to more drilling so you agree with McCain on that point.

2) Ironically, if you listened to Obama at the VFW today you'd have to conclude that UBL/OBL is the only evil he sees as well. In fact, he indicated he'll go further (I guess into Hell) to get him. So much for nuance.
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1) yes.

2) I believe Obama answered the question when it was asked of him. I'm not sure talking about domestic evils is of great importance to the Veterans of Foreign Wars. A non-sequitur, you might say. Not apropos. Beside the point.
 
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TennNC said:
1) yes.

2) I believe Obama answered the question when it was asked of him. I'm not sure talking about domestic evils is of great importance to the Veterans of Foreign Wars. A non-sequitur, you might say. Not apropos. Beside the point.
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So McCain's more nuanced energy policy suits you - good to hear :)

Not sure which question you are referring to. In his talk today, it was not a question - it was a speech.
 
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volinbham said:
He's going to rub out the Taliban. He talked about his earlier comments of hitting UBL in Pakistan (regardless of Pakistan's permission), etc.
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I'm sure he would not say the same given the recent events there. At least I would hope not.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Isn't McCain for those same things?
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Basically yes - the point I'm making is that Obama's position isn't any more nuanced here and if we are to determine a position from statements at one event then we have to conclude that Obama only sees Islamist terrorists as evil as TennNC suggested McCain does.
 
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