McRae?

#26
#26
Stoked4Zo said:
The good thing about weight is that it can be added easily. I still think he sneaks into the 1st round. Elliott Williams and Will Barton are both similar in weight.
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GoobieVol said:
I think McRae's ability to stay healthy will take away some of the age criticism.

And I don't think players have to be as physical now to be an NBA contributor as they used to. I view Mcrae somewhere betwee Jamal Crawford and John Jenkins, in the NBA. And neither of those two are big guys.

Jason Terry would be another good example. IMO
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Elliott Williams, Will Barton and John Jenkins weren't lottery picks and certainly weren't worthy of them. I am sorry, but I am not following. I am only arguing the merit of McRae being a lottery pick if that was the confusion, not the possibility of him being drafted. I think the size of the players you listed directly contributed to their draft stock and playing time.

Jamal Crawford is a good example of a player comparable to McRae in size and weight, but Crawford is leaps and bounds better than McRae in terms of ball handling coming out of Michigan and 3 or so years younger.
 
#27
#27
omghulkhands said:
Elliott Williams, Will Barton and John Jenkins weren't lottery picks and certainly weren't worthy of them. I am sorry, but I am not following. I am only arguing the merit of McRae being a lottery pick if that was the confusion, not the possibility of him being drafted. I think the size of the players you listed directly contributed to their draft stock and playing time.

Jamal Crawford is a good example of a player comparable to McRae in size and weight, but Crawford is leaps and bounds better than McRae in terms of ball handling coming out of Michigan and 3 or so years younger.
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Yeah I thought you were talking drafted period.

I agree Crawford is probably a better ball handler, but McRae is a better shooter, so their longevity could be equal. And I think McRae's defense could be pretty effective in the NBA too. He is long with pretty good lateral quickness and pretty good springs. Not arguing with ya, just a thought.
 
#28
#28
Jeremy Lamb is about the same build as McRae and was selected in the lottery. To me McRae is more of a scoring threat than Lamb is.
 
#30
#30
Aside from Rip, Kevin Martin is the guy who immediately comes to mind when I think of successful rail-thin SGs. Late first-round pick in 2004, but easily a top 10 guy in that class in hindsight. Came out as a junior, had better numbers than McRae but played on a bad team against inferior competition.
 
#31
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Atzar said:
Aside from Rip, Kevin Martin is the guy who immediately comes to mind when I think of successful rail-thin SGs. Late first-round pick in 2004, but easily a top 10 guy in that class in hindsight. Came out as a junior, had better numbers than McRae but played on a bad team against inferior competition.
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Nice comparison, I think McRae can drive the ball better than Martin though. Although idk how well McRae could in the NBA. If weight is Mcrae's only problem than I don't see it as being a negative because he can be trained by the best of the best and can add weight quick.
 
#32
#32
Good length makes up for lack of weight at the next level.

McRae is very long. He has a 7' wingspan. He'll be fine.
 
#33
#33
WRE3 said:
This draft is 10x deeper though. I agree that they are similar players though.
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Yeah I'm not saying his a lottery. I'm just comparing the two. McRae has a future at the 2 I would think.
 
#34
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GoobieVol said:
Yeah I thought you were talking drafted period.

I agree Crawford is probably a better ball handler, but McRae is a better shooter, so their longevity could be equal. And I think McRae's defense could be pretty effective in the NBA too. He is long with pretty good lateral quickness and pretty good springs. Not arguing with ya, just a thought.
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Not trying to start an argument, but Crawford's handle is ridiculous.
 
#38
#38
honestly, if Richardson steps up his defense just a little bit more this year, I think he has a chance of being drafted late or picked up just to be that lock-down defender. Wasn't there a player taken in the draft 2 years ago for this? I'll try and look up who I'm thinking of.
 
#39
#39
ShowSomePride said:
honestly, if Richardson steps up his defense just a little bit more this year, I think he has a chance of being drafted late or picked up just to be that lock-down defender. Wasn't there a player taken in the draft 2 years ago for this? I'll try and look up who I'm thinking of.
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Similar to Tony Allen?
 
#40
#40
DeAndre Liggins (Kentucky) was drafted late in the 2nd round a couple years ago.

Liggins junior stats: 6-6, 210 lbs
8.6 points/game
4.0 rebounds/game
2.5 assists/game
1.2 steals/game
0.7 blocks/game

Richardson's sophomore stats: 6-6, 188 lbs
7.9 points/game
4.3 rebounds/game
1.5 assists/game
1.1 steals/game
0.7 blocks/game

JRich is near even from a production standpoint as a soph vs Liggins as jr. If he continues his steady improvement, I can see someone taking a chance on him in the 2nd, especially if he improves his outside shot. That is the one area that Liggins had a significant advantage.
 
#41
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cncchris33 said:
DeAndre Liggins (Kentucky) was drafted late in the 2nd round a couple years ago.

Liggins junior stats: 6-6, 210 lbs
8.6 points/game
4.0 rebounds/game
2.5 assists/game
1.2 steals/game
0.7 blocks/game

Richardson's sophomore stats: 6-6, 188 lbs
7.9 points/game
4.3 rebounds/game
1.5 assists/game
1.1 steals/game
0.7 blocks/game

JRich is near even from a production standpoint as a soph vs Liggins as jr. If he continues his steady improvement, I can see someone taking a chance on him in the 2nd, especially if he improves his outside shot. That is the one area that Liggins had a significant advantage.
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J.Rich's mid-range is money. I think if he continues to improve he has real legit shot.
 
#42
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cncchris33 said:
DeAndre Liggins (Kentucky) was drafted late in the 2nd round a couple years ago.

Liggins junior stats: 6-6, 210 lbs
8.6 points/game
4.0 rebounds/game
2.5 assists/game
1.2 steals/game
0.7 blocks/game

Richardson's sophomore stats: 6-6, 188 lbs
7.9 points/game
4.3 rebounds/game
1.5 assists/game
1.1 steals/game
0.7 blocks/game

JRich is near even from a production standpoint as a soph vs Liggins as jr. If he continues his steady improvement, I can see someone taking a chance on him in the 2nd, especially if he improves his outside shot. That is the one area that Liggins had a significant advantage.
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I've used the liggins comparison for Richardson since day 1, very similar and have progressed similarly. As you noted if Richardson improves that outside shot he may very well sneak his way into the 2nd round.
 
#43
#43
cncchris33 said:
DeAndre Liggins (Kentucky) was drafted late in the 2nd round a couple years ago.

Liggins junior stats: 6-6, 210 lbs
8.6 points/game
4.0 rebounds/game
2.5 assists/game
1.2 steals/game
0.7 blocks/game

Richardson's sophomore stats: 6-6, 188 lbs
7.9 points/game
4.3 rebounds/game
1.5 assists/game
1.1 steals/game
0.7 blocks/game

JRich is near even from a production standpoint as a soph vs Liggins as jr. If he continues his steady improvement, I can see someone taking a chance on him in the 2nd, especially if he improves his outside shot. That is the one area that Liggins had a significant advantage.
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Shhhhh don't use facts. MC has to be right.
 
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#45
#45
bleedingTNorange said:
I've used the liggins comparison for Richardson since day 1, very similar and have progressed similarly. As you noted if Richardson improves that outside shot he may very well sneak his way into the 2nd round.
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I think he has a shot at the 2nd round if he continues to progress. For him, I feel it will come down to how he performs at whatever combine or workout he is able to go to so he can really showcase his skills. Sound, fundamental skills and tough mentality are there.
 
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