Meighan named AP POY, 1st Team; Izzy also 1st Team

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why wouldn't I support it Convoluted? I personally think she is a hell of a good player,we both know that there are many teams that would love to have her on there team,

she was the one that buckled down when she was needed and has played some great basketball,I think that is what most internet posters have forgotten,she has earned it

I support the decision, I'm very glad that she has gotten it and she is All Vol and has lead this team all year long,threw thick and thin

so Congrats young Lady,well deserved
 
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just incase anybody missed it

The senior has scored 517 points this season to run her four-year total to 2,004 and move into fifth on the school's career scoring list. She is only the fifth player in Lady Vol history to reach the 2,000-point plateau. The others in that exclusive club are Chamique Holdsclaw, Bridgette Gordon, Candace Parker and Tamika Catchings.

AP Picks Simmons As SEC's Best - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics
 
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Convoluted said:
It's not a knock on Simmons. She didn't give herself the award but she will take heat for it. It's just that it doesn't pass the stat test or the eye test. This is not just a discussion on a Tennessee board. The award is getting lambasted far and wide, so to support the decision here may not be the best tactic for the program. Even the SEC is taking heat with people saying "Is she the best they have in the SEC?" Congratulate her and let it die.
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So let me see if I understand...a player who is the returning SEC CPOY,2 time All SEC honoree voted 3rd team All American last year, previous Wooden award finalist and current nominee, 5th on Tennessee's all time scoring list, and leading scorer on the #3 team in the country who have just come off a conference tournament win...all while posting essentially the same figures as last year...doesn't pass your stat or eye test?

Wow, tough crowd!

BTW, can you share some commentary on how this decision is being lambasted far and wide, as well where the SEC receiving heat for the award? I haven't seen anything. I'm particularly interested in who said to the SEC, "Is she (Simmons) the best they have in the SEC?" Not message boards, but I'm sure if this is such a widely derided selection, there should be plenty of articles or blogs from industry pundits. Thanks!
 
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LurkerExposed said:
Are you saying that last season weighs on what is won this season? If so then it's a total travesty. The truth was that Simmons was marginally better than Mitchell in only 2 categories, but Mitchell was at least marginally better than SImmons in every other category, and in a few of those substantially better (twice the rebounding per gm and nearly twice the steals per game)...

And don't bring up in-conference only stats, please. I was actually doing your Meighan a service by only focusing on overall seasonal stats. It's true that Simmons does a little better in scoring per gm in-conference (17.6 ppg - 4th in SEC - vs 15.9 ppg - 9th in SEC) but while both players flip-flop the 3-pt FG % and FT % leads, if anything Mitchell extends her lead over Simmons:

Rebounding:
Mitchell - 6.4 (16th)
Simmons - NR (not in top 20)

Assists:
Mitchell - 3.4 (11th)
Simmons - NR (not in top 15)

Steals:
Mitchell - 1.8 (7th)
Simmons - NR (not in top 15)

Total FG %:
Mitchell - .509 % (2nd)
Simmons - .462 % (4th)

Free Throw %:
Mitchell - .872 % (4th)
Simmons - NR (not in top 15)

3-Point FG %:
Simmons - .435 % (2nd)
Mitchell - NR (not in top 8)

3-Point FG Made:
Simmons - 2.5 (3rd)
Mitchell - NR (not in top 16)

Assist/Turnover Ratio:
Mitchell - 1.0 (13th)
Simmons - NR (not in top 15)

Defensive Rebounds:
Mitchell - 5.3 (8th - Harrison is 5.9)
Simmons - NR (not in top 15)

SEC Women's Basketball - Conference-Only Statistics

Simmons wins the AP's POTY, but to say that Simmons had even as good of a season of production as Mitchell did is just untrue. Mitchell also led her team to it's first-ever SEC Reg. Season Title and NCAAT #1 seed, while Simmons led her team to what most of you posters in this forum said all season long was a sub-standard season for UT...

:dunno:
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Well lets look at head to head and settle this mono e mono UT vs USC matchup:
Mitchell, Tiffany... g 5-13 0-2 1-2 1 7 8 1 11 2 4 0 1 36
Simmons, Meighan.... g 7-16 0-3 2-4 0 0 0 2 16 3 2 0 1 34
Now i don't know if you watched that game but if Welch and Coates wasn't playing it would have been over at halftime that was a quiet 11pts. She is not even the best player on that team, but hey she has my attention now go win and lets see can meet in the NCAA champ.
 
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Also she put them stats up against weak comp besides conf. play their OOC is shot!! She was not a factor against UT
 
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armchair said:
I like Simmons, she's a Vol and passionate about the game and she played very well at times this year. But it is also true that she is exceedingly erratic and generally overrated. Harrison is quite obviously our best player because she is consistently solid--something that Simmons is not. I'll leave it at that. We all saw the tournament--not a player of the year performance, to say the least. If the Vols want to beat any of the big dogs, Simmons will have to shoot consistently well--something that she's never really done. There is always a first time...
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Can i pick your brain a sec tell me what you think our offense will look like when #10 is gone?? Just debating
 
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imho, it will look just like this year's offense, minus the blurring speed that only MS could supply... :(
 
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I want to see Simmons take on UConn's M Jefferson. 2 fast guards. I think Simmons could foul her out in short order.
 
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gule said:
I want to see Simmons take on UConn's M Jefferson. 2 fast guards. I think Simmons could foul her out in short order.
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On what do you base this opinion? Simmons averages 1.9 fouls per game and Jefferson averages 1.5. These numbers indicate the reverse is more likely. Jefferson is probably quicker than Simmons as indicated by steals 38 for Simmons, 88 for Jefferson. Jefferson leads in turnovers too 59 to 87 for Simmons. Besides, MoJet sounds faster than speedy.:)
 
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governmentmule said:
the difference is probably in the SOS the lady Vols are in at the 5th spot and UConn is in at the 19th,according to this site

2013-2014 Women's College Basketball Strength of Schedule (SOS) - WarrenNolan.com
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That doesn't mean anything. First of all, 19th is not horrible. Plus, UConn has blitzed past Duke, Stanford, Maryland, Louisville, Baylor and Penn State. Their conference sucks, but they've proven they are head and shoulders above everyone else in the country, except perhaps ND.
 
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Convoluted said:
On what do you base this opinion? Simmons averages 1.9 fouls per game and Jefferson averages 1.5. These numbers indicate the reverse is more likely. Jefferson is probably quicker than Simmons as indicated by steals 38 for Simmons, 88 for Jefferson. Jefferson leads in turnovers too 59 to 87 for Simmons. Besides, MoJet sounds faster than speedy.:)
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1.9 or 1.5 says that neither is likely in danger of fouling out. Besides, neither player looks to initiate contact and draw fouls. Jefferson is usually left open because of all UConn's other threats, and Simmons prefers pull ups to drives.

Jefferson gets more steals because she has faster hands, not necessarily feet. She's also got the benefit of UConn's tighter team defense which helps her cause.

Chances are Simmons gets pickpocketed by Jefferson once or twice, then beats her down court to block her layup attempt. That happens about 1x per game, it seems.
 
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volbabyvol said:
Can i pick your brain a sec tell me what you think our offense will look like when #10 is gone?? Just debating
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I think the Vols could have a better offense. She's not a terribly good shooter--that is the point that people don't seem to get. Your offense doesn't really benefit from a player who shots a lot but doesn't make a high percentage. She's improved this year--but we saw her shooting in the tournament; it was terrible, and she's had many bad shooting games. She can create her shot at any time--and that is a good thing. You can have good shooters who can't create. What Simmons has never done is use her abilities to create good shots for others--her assist totals have always been too low.
 
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armchair said:
She's not a terribly good shooter--that is the point that people don't seem to get.
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She is 185/438 from the field @ 42.25%
She is 66/184 from 3 point range @ 35.9%
She is 81/100 from the free throw line @ 81% *

Keep in mind she is a shooting guard, unlike Izzy and Graves who are post players and mostly shoot layups.

In my book, that is much better than "not a terribly good shooter". **


Sources:
* http://www.utsports.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2013-2014/teamcume.html

** Common sense
 
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It won't be long before we know whose opinion is the correct one. The WNBA draft will be a good indicator of who has talent, at least for Seniors.
 
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The main problems I guess I have with Simmons are she is way too streaky of a player and she isn't unselfish. She doesn't come across as team first. She has to get her shots. In my opinion that's not POY material. Also, I wouldn't describe her as a smart player. She does a lot of stupid stuff. But, she is a Lady VOL through and through and you can't fault her for that.
 
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Sandvol said:
The main problems I guess I have with Simmons are she is way too streaky of a player and she isn't unselfish. She doesn't come across as team first. She has to get her shots. In my opinion that's not POY material. Also, I wouldn't describe her as a smart player. She does a lot of stupid stuff. But, she is a Lady VOL through and through and you can't fault her for that.
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She has never met a shot she couldnt fire up
 
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