Meyer calls BCS unfair

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#26
Meh, they can score 40 points pretty regularly. Not sure our Defense could get the one or two stops we need for Johnny to win it. It'd be close.

If you can score 40 on a consistent basis, you have a good shot at us.
 
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And speaking of Michigan State, should we actually meet up in a bowl, I'm pretty confident we'd beat them. They're tough but they cant go td for td with anyone thats even kinda decent on offense.
 
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The Coaches Poll must have overlooked common opponents:

tOSU 40 Buffalo 20

Baylor 70 Buffalo 13

Baylor's starters were done at the half. tOSU starters, well...

Seems worth .0013 to me.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Meh, they can score 40 points pretty regularly. Not sure our Defense could get the one or two stops we need for Johnny to win it. It'd be close.

If you can score 40 on a consistent basis, you have a good shot at us.
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Not sure their defense could put a stop to your offense either. Their two top 25 opponents were a lot closer games than I would think Urban would like to comment on. And let's face it, the B1G isn't known for fast paced offenses that will wear a defense out.
 
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The Big Ten is maybe the 4th or 5th best conference. That is who his team plays and he will not get rewarded for mediocrity when there are other teams who play top comp.
 
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rocketskates said:
Wah wah. Schedule some tough ooc games then. Youngstown st ain't gonna help your case for being number one.
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You do know that tOSU played Cal this season, correct? You know the contract for that game was signed in 2002, right? Cal was a pretty solid team in the first decade of the 2000s.

Also, Vandy canceled on tOSU prior to this season.

I would still argue that tOSU's schedule has been tougher than Baylor's.

That said, I think Meyer is counting chickens before they hatch. tOSU still has to play Michigan and still has to play in the B1G Championship game. Baylor still has Oklahoma State and Texas. And, Alabama still has Auburn and the SEC Championship game. A lot can happen in the next few weeks.
 
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therealUT said:
You do know that tOSU played Cal this season, correct? You know the contract for that game was signed in 2002, right? Cal was a pretty solid team in the first decade of the 2000s.

Also, Vandy canceled on tOSU prior to this season.

I would still argue that tOSU's schedule has been tougher than Baylor's.

That said, I think Meyer is counting chickens before they hatch. tOSU still has to play Michigan and still has to play in the B1G Championship game. Baylor still has Oklahoma State and Texas. And, Alabama still has Auburn and the SEC Championship game. A lot can happen in the next few weeks.
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And one of Urban's first orders of business when getting to OSU was to cancel the UT series.
 
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trevols81 said:
Urban Cryer. He should have remained in the SEC. Then he wouldn't have to worry about such pesky things as strength of schedule.
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He left Florida in a mess and got the heck out of Dodge. Now, he is coaching Ohio State with a run of cupcakes allowing him to have 22 straight wins. Sooner or later, he will leave Ohio State like he left Florida. If he thinks the BCS is unfair to his team, then his team needs to play somebody. If Ohio State played the same schedule that UT played this year, they'd have several losses and would be lucky to be in the top 25.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
In 2017-18 it wouldn't help? You know our future? We must not be very good in the future since you say we won't help his SOS. I'm so tired of losing but guess it'll continue for at least another 5 yrs.
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Interesting line of questioning, which, in my opinion, highlights the problem with the BCS. The future holds no truth value, and non-conference games are scheduled years in advance. Conference teams are locked, each year, into a slate of games, within their conference, and they have no control over this aspect of their schedule. The only control they have, the only part of the schedule they can manipulate in order to increase their strength of schedule in any given year is the part of the schedule dealing with non-conference games.

But, since big-name universities, schedule their big-name non-conference universities almost a decade in advance, their exists no guarantee that such scheduling will help, rather than hinder, their strength of schedule. Imagine if, in 2002, Ohio State had scheduled both USC and South Carolina for 2012. In 2002, Ohio State would have been praised for scheduling the Trojans and derided for scheduling a historically terrible team in South Carolina. If, in response to the derision, Ohio State canceled the series with South Carolina and replaced them with Texas, then ten years later Ohio State's strength of schedule would have been hindered for what was, at the time, a praiseworthy decision.

In 2017, Ohio State has Oklahoma, Rutgers, and North Carolina on their schedule. At this time, keeping Tennessee does not look like a decision that would bolster their SoS in 2017. Now, when 2017 arrives, maybe OU, Rutgers, and UNC are all absolutely terrible, and UT is incredible. But, what are the reasons for thinking that UT will be incredible and not Rutgers or UNC? The latter have performed about as well, if not better, than UT over the past few years.

In 2018, tOSU has Rutgers, TCU, and UNC. This schedule looks weaker because of the loss of OU, but OU could be on the decline. Further, Rutgers, TCU, and UNC have not been much worse nor much better than UT over the past few years. So, again, what reason is there for scheduling UT instead of one of those three? Is it simply because UT has a bigger name? Or, that UT is in the SEC? Well, tOSU did have Vandy on their schedule this year; and, well, Vandy over the past few seasons has been better than UT and Vandy is in the SEC. But, Vandy canceled on tOSU.

Strength of Schedule is a poor criteria because it is so prone to chance. SoS would only be a good criteria if teams were forbidden to schedule non-conference opponents more than two years out.

But, alas, I forget that this is a UT message board and irrational Vol fans will take any chance they can get to bash Urban Meyer, Lane Kiffin, Aaron Craft, etc. So, continue to bash Meyer for being frustrated with a reasonably frustrating system.
 
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therealUT said:
Interesting line of questioning, which, in my opinion, highlights the problem with the BCS. The future holds no truth value, and non-conference games are scheduled years in advance. Conference teams are locked, each year, into a slate of games, within their conference, and they have no control over this aspect of their schedule. The only control they have, the only part of the schedule they can manipulate in order to increase their strength of schedule in any given year is the part of the schedule dealing with non-conference games.
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I agree completely.

That's part of why I'm a big fan of these neutral site games early in the season. They tend to get scheduled within 2 years of being played, as opposed to the decade or more for a home-and-home.
 
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therealUT said:
Interesting line of questioning, which, in my opinion, highlights the problem with the BCS. The future holds no truth value, and non-conference games are scheduled years in advance. Conference teams are locked, each year, into a slate of games, within their conference, and they have no control over this aspect of their schedule. The only control they have, the only part of the schedule they can manipulate in order to increase their strength of schedule in any given year is the part of the schedule dealing with non-conference games.

But, since big-name universities, schedule their big-name non-conference universities almost a decade in advance, their exists no guarantee that such scheduling will help, rather than hinder, their strength of schedule. Imagine if, in 2002, Ohio State had scheduled both USC and South Carolina for 2012. In 2002, Ohio State would have been praised for scheduling the Trojans and derided for scheduling a historically terrible team in South Carolina. If, in response to the derision, Ohio State canceled the series with South Carolina and replaced them with Texas, then ten years later Ohio State's strength of schedule would have been hindered for what was, at the time, a praiseworthy decision.

In 2017, Ohio State has Oklahoma, Rutgers, and North Carolina on their schedule. At this time, keeping Tennessee does not look like a decision that would bolster their SoS in 2017. Now, when 2017 arrives, maybe OU, Rutgers, and UNC are all absolutely terrible, and UT is incredible. But, what are the reasons for thinking that UT will be incredible and not Rutgers or UNC? The latter have performed about as well, if not better, than UT over the past few years.

In 2018, tOSU has Rutgers, TCU, and UNC. This schedule looks weaker because of the loss of OU, but OU could be on the decline. Further, Rutgers, TCU, and UNC have not been much worse nor much better than UT over the past few years. So, again, what reason is there for scheduling UT instead of one of those three? Is it simply because UT has a bigger name? Or, that UT is in the SEC? Well, tOSU did have Vandy on their schedule this year; and, well, Vandy over the past few seasons has been better than UT and Vandy is in the SEC. But, Vandy canceled on tOSU.

Strength of Schedule is a poor criteria because it is so prone to chance. SoS would only be a good criteria if teams were forbidden to schedule non-conference opponents more than two years out.

But, alas, I forget that this is a UT message board and irrational Vol fans will take any chance they can get to bash Urban Meyer, Lane Kiffin, Aaron Craft, etc. So, continue to bash Meyer for being frustrated with a reasonably frustrating system.
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To argue that OSU cancelled the series with UT at this point because we wouldn't help their SOS is asinine. They're reasoning was going to a 9 game conference schedule and still having 2-3 of those types of games was basically suicide, and i don't disagree. But don't pretend they canceled because we would hurt their schedule.

Rutgers is a conference opponent in 2017 that's why they're on the schedule and comparing them and UNC's past success compared to UT is trivial cause everyone of importance knows those teams' SOS is so weak. I'd argue a 6-6 UT is on par with an 8-4 UNC in many people's eyes, especially in this day and age of the SEC.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
To argue that OSU cancelled the series with UT at this point because we wouldn't help their SOS is asinine. They're reasoning was going to a 9 game conference schedule and still having 2-3 of those types of games was basically suicide, and i don't disagree. But don't pretend they canceled because we would hurt their schedule.

Rutgers is a conference opponent in 2017 that's why they're on the schedule and comparing them and UNC's past success compared to UT is trivial cause everyone of importance knows those teams' SOS is so weak. I'd argue a 6-6 UT is on par with an 8-4 UNC in many people's eyes, especially in this day and age of the SEC.
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1. A 6-6 team would hurt SoS more than an 8-4 team, so long as both are from major conferences.

2. Plenty of Peach Bowl performances by UT directly refute your assertion.
 
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therealUT said:
1. A 6-6 team would hurt SoS more than an 8-4 team, so long as both are from major conferences.

2. Plenty of Peach Bowl performances by UT directly refute your assertion.
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We wouldn't have played them for another 4-5 yrs, there's a great chance we're not 6-6 then and Urban knows that. You can find quotes from Gene Smith saying why they canceled and wasn't because UT would hider their SOS.

Sorry to argue with you, Urban.
 
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bamawriter said:
I agree completely.

That's part of why I'm a big fan of these neutral site games early in the season. They tend to get scheduled within 2 years of being played, as opposed to the decade or more for a home-and-home.
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Even scheduling within 2 years can be a crap shoot.

In 2011 Ohio State could have scheduled auburn and Arkansas for 2012. Going into the 2012 season, it Would have looked like a more than formidable OOC schedule, considering auburn won the MNC in 2010 and Arkansas won 11 games in 2011. Then, the season actually plays out, and those two teams would have actually hurt tOSU SOS.

I know tOSU was ineligible last year, but just an example of the schedule being a crap shoot even if scheduled 1 year out.
 
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