Michael Steele Must Go

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I think he was picked because he is black, he was not that well known before, just a failed senate race in Maryland. He has not worked out and is dead wait and a great target for Democrats. The Republicans would be better off to get rid of him now before he becomes an issue in the mid terms.
 
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orangestorm said:
I think he was picked because he is black, he was not that well known before, just a failed senate race in Maryland. He has not worked out and is dead wait and a great target for Democrats. The Republicans would be better off to get rid of him now before he becomes an issue in the mid terms.
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And replace him with who? The TPers won't pick the new guru. It will still be someone who is a conduit between the elected officials and the moneyed industries counting on payback for support in the midterms.

Party chiefs, in my experience, pretty much always suck. And that is true no matter which party you are talking about.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Bogus.

No matter how much you subscribe to that theory, the elected party officials feed at the trough of public spending and manipulated tax policy just as much, if not more, than the Democrats.

When the R's are in charge, they have shown every bit as much of an ability to spend too much and save too little. They aren't about to put into place anyone who would be markedly different than Steele.

Oh, they'll fins someone to mollify the TPers on the point. But in reality they will not change their ways.
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Can you read? This post is why Steele blows. He has an opportunity to salvage one of the parties and won't. More will head the independent route and will support minimalist government approach.
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lawgator1 said:
And replace him with who? The TPers won't pick the new guru. It will still be someone who is a conduit between the elected officials and the moneyed industries counting on payback for support in the midterms.

Party chiefs, in my experience, pretty much always suck. And that is true no matter which party you are talking about.
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I do not know who they will chose, but they need to find somebody. I am sure that there are people jockeying for his seat and lining up their supporters; within the next few days name will start to pop up.

The Republicans need that can raise money for the election. I think they will pick somebody who will not be the TPers first choice, but somebody they can work/deal with.

Steele had a chance but, I think his time is almost up.
 
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orangestorm said:
I do not know who they will chose, but they need to find somebody. I am sure that there are people jockeying for his seat and lining up their supporters; within the next few days name will start to pop up.

The Republicans need that can raise money for the election. I think they will pick somebody who will not be the TPers first choice, but somebody they can work/deal with.

Steele had a chance but, I think his time is almost up.
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Let me take Steele's side of this story, he knows what he is talking about it just wasn't the politically correct thing to say.

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Steele isn't as off base as some who would throw him out.

More to follow..........
 
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gsvol said:
Let me take Steele's side of this story, he knows what he is talking about it just wasn't the politically correct thing to say.

Steele isn't as off base as some who would throw him out.

More to follow..........
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It is not that what he said was not PC, it was fricking stupid and wrong. Read some Republican blogs, like Free Republic, they do not like him there. I do not believe it's a racial thing just they do not like his actions.

This latest gaffe has angered some powerful Republicans and it sounds like they are looking in a new direction.

"I believe we have to win here. I believe in freedom. But the fact is that I think that Mr. Steele is going to have to assess as to whether he can still lead the Republican Party as chairman of the Republican National Committee and make an appropriate decision," McCain told ABC's "This Week."
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Steele side of the story is that his comments were taken out of context.
 
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No matter what Steele thinks, he is not the leader of the Republican Party. He's in charge of the RNC, but that's as far as his influence goes.
 
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orangestorm said:
It is not that what he said was not PC, it was fricking stupid and wrong. Read some Republican blogs, like Free Republic, they do not like him there. I do not believe it's a racial thing just they do not like his actions.

This latest gaffe has angered some powerful Republicans and it sounds like they are looking in a new direction.



Steele side of the story is that his comments were taken out of context.
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I understand Steele isn't very popular and never has been but he was trying to make Obama own this war since he agreed to ramp it up while most of our Nato allies are inclined toward withdrawal.

I also understand that the liberal media is jumping on his statements in an effort to try to avert huge liberal losses in the coming November elections.

Here is a run down of some of what Steele said;

Michael Steele: Stanley McChrystal incident 'comical' - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

What exactly do you disagree with, where's the gaffe, just what exactly is so friggin stupid??

I agree with everything he said.

Colonel (ret) Douglas MacGregor, the author of 'desert storm' said on national TV; that our presence is a “hopeless endeavor” and Afghanistan is a “bottomless pit.”

‘It’s not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win’ said Maj. Gen. Bill Mayville, who served as chief of operations for McChrystal. ‘This is going to end in an argument.'

In the end this will be more like the Vietnam conflict than any other military endeavor the US has ever been involved with.

Just recently Karzai dissmissed his two most pro-American, anti-taliban commissioners and appointed two that have been closely involved with the taliban in the past. When we leave Afghanistan the taliban will be welcomed back into the government with open arms.

Although we entered Afghanistan under Bush's watch, overthrew the taliban government and ran al-qaeda out of the country, due to the policies enacted by Obama, he should own the war and in the future when we look at Afghanistan we should either blame or praise obama for the the way things are there.

I don't see what is so wrong about saying that!!







lumberjack4 said:
No matter what Steele thinks, he is not the leader of the Republican Party. He's in charge of the RNC, but that's as far as his influence goes.
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The RNC is on my sh!t list and has been for quite some time, I fairly well told them off in the spring of '08, being very specific about what I found wrong with their MO and they havn't called me back since.

The Republican party needs a strong leader now, I don't see one emerging.

Look at their last presidential candidate, he had spent six years being subject to Pavlovian reflex conditioning by an enemy of our way of life, would or could you ever fully trust him to be president??

And in the end what will we have accomplished in Afghanistan?

They have a government that is based on islam and uses sharia as it's legal authority just as the taliban did, it's banking system enfranchises hawala just as always.

We've been there ten years and Afghanistan is still the number one producer of heroin.

We could stay there a hundred years and some things would never change.
 
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“During one of my treks through Afghanistan, we lost our corkscrew. We were compelled to live on food and water for several days.”

W. C. Fields
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would imagine some small segment of the TPers don't like him because he's black. But, that was hardly my point. Regardless of his color, he's not as conservative as they'd like him to be. I think its that simple.

The problem is, as I say above, anyone that is going to be acceptable to the money people at the top of the ladder is going to be of the same ilk.
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And there are segments of black democrats who don't like whites, what's your point?
 
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I still don't think I got an answer to my question... Is the war in Afghanistan winnable? :ermm:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I still don't think I got an answer to my question... Is the war in Afghanistan winnable? :ermm:
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It is, but the methods used to achieve victory have been taken off the table. I'm not referring to nuclear weapons, either, I'm talking about removing political correctness from the decision-making and not having any regard (or at least, less regard) for collateral damage.
 
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The problem with Steel's comment wasn't calling it "Obama's war." It was that he was implying we shouldn't be fighting the war, and that is utterly at odds with the mainstay of the Republican foreign policy platform since 9/11/01.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem with Steel's comment wasn't calling it "Obama's war." It was that he was implying we shouldn't be fighting the war, and that is utterly at odds with the mainstay of the Republican foreign policy platform since 9/11/01.
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And the Dems. To most of the Dems, this was the good war.
 
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volfanjustin said:
And the Dems. To most of the Dems, this was the good war.
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I still don't see them as all that separate, but I guess they are. Iraq was supposed to be about fighting the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, but in the end was about toppling Hussein. Afghanistan was always where the real action was on fighting terrorists, I think.

I wonder how much, how far, how often, and for how long US forces venture into Pakistan, as well. I'd wager it happens a lot.
 
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the terrorists went to wherever america was. iraq, afghanistan, it doesn't matter.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I still don't think I got an answer to my question...
Is the war in Afghanistan winnable? :ermm:
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Define what would be a win.

If the enemy quit attacking us today and we pulled
all troops out within six months, I pesonally wouldn't
think it much of a win.

Not to belittle the sacrifices made by our men and
women or their leadership in the field, political leadership
is another matter.

IMO I never think it a 'win' when we leave behind a
government that is based on islam.




Rasputin_Vol said:
The real gaffe was him stating that this was
Obama's war... :unsure:
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It's Obama's war now!!

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He can't have Iraq, Biden is taking credit for winning that one.
 
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