Michelle Obama saya:

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therealUT said:
I am just excited to see the split that will occur in the Democratic Party once the super delegates side with Hillary. Could definitely be the beginning of the end of the Democratic Party as we know it. Coupled with the tension in the GOP, could easily lead to a very viable third party in 2010 and 2012.
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God I hope so. *crosses fingers
 
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utvolpj said:
IMO it's just a common sense position. Gay marriage hurts nothing (although I think it would be done if they'd drop the word "marriage" and accept civil unions with equal benefits). Don't necessarily agree with abortion but why is it my job to tell someone it's not right? Pushing schools to teach things like creationism as an alternative and "young Earth" theories really make the right look ridiculous.

The left has the general idea but want everyone to pay for all these stupid programs that make the users too reliant on the gov't. Get up, get an education, get a job and make your way like everyone else. I think an education system like the German one would work wonders for the US.

I heard on the radio that our current taxes are around 35% with a 4 to 1 ratio (4 put in and 1 pulls out). By 2050 the ratio will be down to 2 to 1 and the tax rate will need to be at around 72% to pay for all the programs we have in place. Who in their right mind thinks that can be done?

and that's my stream of consciousness entry for the day :)
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Good rant. Personally, I am very very conservative....but I don't feel the need for my views on social behavior to be legislated.
 
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Good rant. Personally, I am very very conservative....but I don't feel the need for my views on social behavior to be legislated.


But you feel that it's ok to legislate other peoples views/choices?

Just because I'm anti abortion doesn't mean that I don't think it's a woman's right to decide if that's what's best for her situation.
 
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rdl2k7 said:
Good rant. Personally, I am very very conservative....but I don't feel the need for my views on social behavior to be legislated.


But you feel that it's ok to legislate other peoples views/choices?

Just because I'm anti abortion doesn't mean that I don't think it's a woman's right to decide if that's what's best for her situation.
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thats riding the middle of the fence...if you against abortion, then your against abortion
 
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If a woman needs to have an abortion for health reasons that's one thing, if it's cause she got knocked up and just doesn't want a child that's pathetic.
 
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JZVOL said:
If a woman needs to have an abortion for health reasons that's one thing, if it's cause she got knocked up and just doesn't want a child that's pathetic.
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I don't think many around here will disagree on your assessment. Where we disagree is whether she should be told it's legal or not. I feel no person should be forced to live under someone else's beliefs or convictions.
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't think many around here will disagree on your assessment. Where we disagree is whether she should be told it's legal or not. I feel no person should be forced to live under someone else's beliefs or convictions.
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I agree but will add that she should have to pay the full cost out of pocket. If not doesn't that mean that you are forcing tax payers to pay for something that may be against their principals?
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't think many around here will disagree on your assessment. Where we disagree is whether she should be told it's legal or not. I feel no person should be forced to live under someone else's beliefs or convictions.
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I understand that. But if we can't tell a mother to not kill her unborn child, why can we tell a mother to not kill her one-year old child?

My other question is why is it all about the woman? I mean what if the father doesn't want the child but the mother does?

The father then has to pay child support for a baby he didn't want. What if the mother doesn't want the baby but the father does?

I'm not really looking for an answer, this is just stuff I think about sometimes...
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree but will add that she should have to pay the full cost out of pocket. If not doesn't that mean that you are forcing tax payers to pay for something that may be against their principals?
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I don't do that enough already?? And I'm still trying to find where they give out gov't funded abortions.

JZVOL said:
I understand that. But if we can't tell a mother to not kill her unborn child, why can we tell a mother to not kill her one-year old child?
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Different than abortion because then you're defining life. You can say an 8-celled zygote is a human being but most will disagree. A 1yo child have proved it is a viable human by all standards. Late-term is disgusting but I still don't feel it's my place.

JZVOL said:
My other question is why is it all about the woman? I mean what if the father doesn't want the child but the mother does?

The father then has to pay child support for a baby he didn't want. What if the mother doesn't want the baby but the father does?
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The father should not have skipped putting a condom on a banana day in health class. Old enough to have sex = old enough to be educated and understand the repercussions of his actions. You can't legislate stupidity either.
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't do that enough already?? And I'm still trying to find where they give out gov't funded abortions.



Different than abortion because then you're defining life. You can say an 8-celled zygote is a human being but most will disagree. A 1yo child have proved it is a viable human by all standards. Late-term is disgusting but I still don't feel it's my place.



The father should not have skipped putting a condom on a banana day in health class. Old enough to have sex = old enough to be educated and understand the repercussions of his actions. You can't legislate stupidity either.
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Not sure you have ever watched Friends but that makes think of the episode where Ross gets Rachel pregnant and find out condoms are only 97% affective.
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't do that enough already?? And I'm still trying to find where they give out gov't funded abortions.



Different than abortion because then you're defining life. You can say an 8-celled zygote is a human being but most will disagree. A 1yo child have proved it is a viable human by all standards. Late-term is disgusting but I still don't feel it's my place.



The father should not have skipped putting a condom on a banana day in health class. Old enough to have sex = old enough to be educated and understand the repercussions of his actions. You can't legislate stupidity either.
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I may be wrong but aren't clinics who perform these procedures given government funds. We used to have planned parenthood and it was my understanding that they did. As for your other points I agree!
 
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It's just a crazy world... Mike Vick can be thrown in jail for fighting dogs but we can't tell mothers to not kill unborn babies.
 
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JZVOL said:
It's just a crazy world... Mike Vick can be thrown in jail for fighting dogs but we can't tell mothers to not kill unborn babies.
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If he was put in jail for performing Pit Bull abortions you might have a point. Illegal gambling (ie the gov't not getting a cut) will get you busted every time.
 
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JZVOL said:
Not sure you have ever watched Friends but that makes think of the episode where Ross gets Rachel pregnant and find out condoms are only 97% affective.
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a woman can take the condom out of the trash and inpregnate herself with your sperm and still collect child support. the american male in this country has zero rights when it comes to reproduction.
 
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droski said:
a woman can take the condom out of the trash and inpregnate herself with your sperm and still collect child support. the american male in this country has zero rights when it comes to reproduction.
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That is a wonderful image.
 
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it happens more than people care to admit. i can't tell you how many friends i've had where the gf "accidently" got pregnant right about the time that he was going to give her the heave ho.
 
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JZVOL said:
Not sure you have ever watched Friends but that makes think of the episode where Ross gets Rachel pregnant and find out condoms are only 97% affective.
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I try to limit the amount of research I quote from Friends. :p

droski said:
a woman can take the condom out of the trash and inpregnate herself with your sperm and still collect child support. the american male in this country has zero rights when it comes to reproduction.
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and that's my point (besides always flushing it). We are trying to teach things like abstinence when we all know it won't ever me a viable solution. Every time you do it there could be consequences. If we don't teach kids that then we are failing. When you continue to pump money at a program that doesn't work you have to eventually realize it's broken don't you?
 
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thats riding the middle of the fence...if you against abortion, then your against abortion
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Sorry I don't think I put quote marks before. I don't agree with abortion. I don't believe in spanking. I don't believe in formula (except in rare cases), I don't believe in eating 3 big macs and 2 giant cokes. I don't believe in infidelity in marriage. I don't believe in a lot of things.

But it certainly isn't my place to decide that that's how everyone else should be.
 
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I am going to have to disagree about any gray area in regards to abortion. You are either killing an innocent baby or you are not. The only reasonable and logical argument in favor of ever having an abortion is that the mother's life is in imminent peril if she continues on with the pregnancy. Other than that, all arguments are a bunch of BS, to include the rape argument.
 
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therealUT said:
I am going to have to disagree about any gray area in regards to abortion. You are either killing an innocent baby or you are not. The only reasonable and logical argument in favor of ever having an abortion is that the mother's life is in imminent peril if she continues on with the pregnancy. Other than that, all arguments are a bunch of BS, to include the rape argument.
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I'm not pro-choice or anything, but every pregnancy puts the mother in some peril. It's a strenuous process. Also, it takes a lot of effort from the mother to keep herself healthy so as to keep the fetus healthy. I can't see an emotionally crushed woman (like one that has recently been raped) doing very well dealing with all the effort needed to birth a healthy baby. Throw in the fact that hormones rise dramatically, which can really screw with emotions and you've got a potentially dangerous situation. Also, there's postpartum depression. There's a lot to consider.
 
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Don't get me wrong. I am in no way looking for a federally mandated ban on abortion. I am simply looking for the issue to be handed over to the states. If that happened, I would definitely try to end up in a state in which abortion is prohibited.
 
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therealUT said:
Don't get me wrong. I am in no way looking for a federally mandated ban on abortion. I am simply looking for the issue to be handed over to the states. If that happened, I would definitely try to end up in a state in which abortion is prohibited.
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If Tennessee outlawed abortion, that might result in a mass exodus of OB-GYNs. That means if your wife gets pregnant you might have to make arrangements to spend a month or so out of state. I know of one doc that won't perform abortions, but I'd say guys like him are in the minority. That's purely speculation, however.
 
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therealUT said:
Don't get me wrong. I am in no way looking for a federally mandated ban on abortion. I am simply looking for the issue to be handed over to the states. If that happened, I would definitely try to end up in a state in which abortion is prohibited.
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I totally agree with you on the abortion issue.

States should have more say in issues than the fed IMO, not just abortion.
 
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#50
We seem to be in agreement a lot lately. Maybe it is time someone starts a Bible thread again :thumbsup:
 
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