Michigan spied on Vols last year

[JCHateSteve]

He’ll get paid and taken care of to keep quiet by Michigan.

That would certainly give him reason not to talk. But I doubt he's worried about making enemies at Michigan, at this point.

The problem with buying someone off like that is they've got you by neck from then on. You have to meet whatever demand they have to keep them quite. You're usually better off just taking you medicine.

 

[aRmo]

Of course he will be the scape goat. If he is smart he burns everyone involved.

With him being in the Marines. (Im a Marine myself) if it doesnt involve crayola... then smart probably isnt in his vocabulary.

 

[Carp]

If his days working in football are over, what difference does it make if he makes enemies in their football program? If he's getting scapegoated and it's going to cost him his career, he has every reason to try and take the people who put him in that position down with him.

You can still maintain deep pocket connections if you keep quiet. Just because your career in football is over, doesn't mean some wealthy donor tight with Harbaugh can't get you a cushy job somewhere making 6 figures. But you spill the beans, you lose all those connections.

 

[JCHateSteve]

You can still maintain deep pocket connections if you keep quiet. You spill the beans, you lose all those connections.

The can certainly buy him off. But that's Michigan not making an enemy out of him, because he's got dirt on them. He has all the power in that scenario.

 

[Carp]

The can certainly buy him off. But that's Michigan not making an enemy out of him, because he's got dirt on them. He has all the power in that scenario.

In a 1 time payment scenario, you would be correct. Getting him a cushy job somewhere making 6 figures isn't the same. All of a sudden, he has a lot to lose should he get a little loose lipped in the future.

He could certainly sing like a canary. It wouldn't appear to be in his best interest do so however.

 

[JCHateSteve]

In a 1 time payment scenario, you would be correct. Getting him a cushy job somewhere making 6 figures isn't the same. All of a sudden, he has a lot to lose should he get a little loose lipped in the future.

He could certainly sing like a canary. It wouldn't appear to be in his best interest do so however.

He can still sink your program whenever he wants. He can make new demands to stay quite in either scenario. Basically your setting yourself up to get blackmailed whenever he feels like it.

 

[Carp]

He can still sink your program whenever he wants. He can make new demands to stay quite in either scenario. Basically your setting yourself up to get blackmailed whenever he feels like it.

What does that have to do with anything? They are already in this scenario. Him spilling the beans is not and never will be in the best interest for UM. It's likely to cost them WAY more in fines, revenue lost, and however long it takes to get a new coach that is any good.

What we are talking about is Stallion's motivation here. If he stays quiet, he gets to keep some deep pocket connections that help him secure good jobs in the future. If he spills the beans, he has ZERO connections. Maybe he could get a book deal in a few years after the investigation is over. But he's gotta know his aspirations for a new well paying job are pretty slim.

 

[DaddyChad]

That would certainly give him reason not to talk. But I doubt he's worried about making enemies at Michigan, at this point.

The problem with buying someone off like that is they've got you by neck from then on. You have to meet whatever demand they have to keep them quiet. You're usually better off just taking you medicine.

Bama had a solution for that….

 

[JCHateSteve]

What does that have to do with anything? They are already in this scenario. Him spilling the beans is not and never will be in the best interest for UM. It's likely to cost them WAY more in fines, revenue lost, and however long it takes to get a new coach that is any good.

What we are talking about is Stallion's motivation here. If he stays quiet, he gets to keep some deep pocket connections that help him secure good jobs in the future. If he spills the beans, he has ZERO connections. Maybe he could get a book deal in a few years after the investigation is over. But he's gotta know his aspirations for a new well paying job are pretty slim.

He doesn't need to worry about making enemy's at Michigan. Michigan needs to keep from making an enemy of him. All the potential negatives of him talking don't go away if they buy him off, even if it's a long term arrangement. They multiply because they covered it up. Michigan has way more to lose than Stallion.

Basically he has no incentive to stay quite if they don't buy him off, and he's in the driver's seat if they do.

 

[Carp]

He doesn't need to worry about making enemy's at Michigan. Michigan needs to keep from making an enemy of him. All the potential negatives of him talking don't go away if they buy him off, even if it's a long term arrangement. They multiply because they covered it up. Michigan has way more to lose than Stallion.

Basically he has no incentive to stay quite if they don't buy him off, and he's in the driver's seat if they do.

And why doesn't he need to worry about making enemies at UM? What job prospects does he have?

Again, it isn't a shakedown by Stalions or payoff by UM. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement.

 

[JCHateSteve]

And why doesn't he need to worry about making enemies at UM? What job prospects does he have?

The same ones he'll have if Michigan doesn't buy him off.

Are you seriously arguing that he'll be OK with being the scapegoat because some hypothetical Michigan alum might hire him somewhere down the road?

 

[VolDave53]

What does that have to do with anything? They are already in this scenario. Him spilling the beans is not and never will be in the best interest for UM. It's likely to cost them WAY more in fines, revenue lost, and however long it takes to get a new coach that is any good.

What we are talking about is Stallion's motivation here. If he stays quiet, he gets to keep some deep pocket connections that help him secure good jobs in the future. If he spills the beans, he has ZERO connections. Maybe he could get a book deal in a few years after the investigation is over. But he's gotta know his aspirations for a new well paying job are pretty slim.

IMHO, keeping quiet is merely removing confirmation of evident facts. Someone earlier said he paid some $50K in tickets and travel to perform these nefarious deeds. He only made $125K per year, so I doubt he did this without remuneration. Apparently, there is already quite a paper trail in this project, and he apparently is not bright enough to engineer a cover up.

This thing is going to go to meltdown mode unless UM has more power than it seems. Too many other teams have been injured to stop the tidal wave of public disclosures of malfeasance.

 

[Carp]

The same ones he'll have if Michigan doesn't buy him off.

Are you seriously arguing that he'll be OK with being the scapegoat because some hypothetical Michigan alum might hire him somewhere down the road?

Yes. I wouldn't be surprised if terms of a new job haven't already been discussed.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Yes. I wouldn't be surprised if terms of a new job haven't already been discussed.

It wouldn't suprise me either. But, that's a way of buying him off. My point is he doesn't have to keep anyone happy in that scenario. That's Michigan/One of thier Alums way of keeping Stalions happy so he'll stay quite. Stalions has all the leverage. That's exactly why they are buying him off to start with.

 

[Carp]

It wouldn't suprise me either. But, that's a way of buying him off. My point is he doesn't have to keep anyone happy in that scenario. That's Michigan/One of thier Alums way of keeping Stalions happy so he'll stay quite. Stalions has all the leverage. That's exactly why they are buying him off to start with.

The whole point I'm making is because someone said:

"If he is smart he burns everyone involved."


I don't see how it's smart financially to burn everyone involved. It won't help him land another job in football. That career is done. It might save him some public shaming, but the benefit of staying within the good graces of some rich and powerful people seems unequivocally greater than burning the program down.

 

[JCHateSteve]

The whole point I'm making is because someone said:

"If he is smart he burns everyone involved."


I don't see how it's smart financially to burn everyone involved. It won't help him land another job in football. That career is done. It might save him some public shaming, but the benefit of staying within the good graces of some rich and powerful people seems unequivocally greater than burning the program down.

If there is am arrangement in place he has incentive to stay quite, at least for now.

If there isn't, he doesn't have much incentive to be the scapegoat. The "good graces" of people are pretty nebulous, and easily forgotten.

He'd want to try to shift blame as much as possible. His prospects outside of
Michigan, only improve by doing so.

Stalions is a retired USMC captain. I don't know what his situation is, but he's presumably pulling some income from that and has connections their to draw on.

 

[SockeyeVol]

100% chance this whole thing goes well beyond Stallions. He had to have approval beforehand, and wasn't the end user of the intel once it was collected.

My guess is someone else gets stuck with the talking stick pretty soon.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

The whole point I'm making is because someone said:

"If he is smart he burns everyone involved."


I don't see how it's smart financially to burn everyone involved. It won't help him land another job in football. That career is done. It might save him some public shaming, but the benefit of staying within the good graces of some rich and powerful people seems unequivocally greater than burning the program down.

He can’t keep going back and asking for money either, that is blackmail.

Now a fully guaranteed contract job answering phones for 250k a year for the next 10 years would be a good deal for everyone involved….

 

[Dadof2Vols]

and wasn't the end user of the intel once it was collected.
.

THIS

 

[DaddyChad]

If there is am arrangement in place he has incentive to stay quite, at least for now.

If there isn't, he doesn't have much incentive to be the scapegoat. The "good graces" of people are pretty nebulous, and easily forgotten.

He'd want to try to shift blame as much as possible. His prospects outside of
Michigan, only improve by doing so.

Stalions is a retired USMC captain. I don't know what his situation is, but he's presumably pulling some income from that and has connections their to draw on.

He’s pretty much shafted anyways. IF the coaches at Michigan were involved (and let’s be honest everyone knows they were) then it would benefit Michigan for him to fall on his sword. Pretty sure they can make it worth his while to do just that and have a soft landing after this is over. He has little to no prospect of working in a major program after this anyways.

 

[Wireless1]

That would certainly give him reason not to talk. But I doubt he's worried about making enemies at Michigan, at this point.

The problem with buying someone off like that is they've got you by neck from then on. You have to meet whatever demand they have to keep them quite. You're usually better off just taking you medicine.

A Natty will be worth millions to UM, if it keeps them out of hot water they will pay him whatever will keep him quiet

 

[JCHateSteve]

He’s pretty much shafted anyways. IF the coaches at Michigan were involved (and let’s be honest everyone knows they were) then it would benefit Michigan for him to fall on his sword. Pretty sure they can make it worth his while to do just that and have a soft landing after this is over. He has little to no prospect of working in a major program after this anyways.

His football days are likely done. No argument there. But outside of coaching, folks won't remember his name in a few years, especially if he implicates more prominent members of the staff and/or admin. He's just not that big of a fish.

But with his football aspirations behind him there just isn't much anyone associated with the University can do to make his prospects worse. If they want him to fall on the sword they're going to have to pay up one way or another. He doesn't need to keep anyone happy. It is in fact in his best interest to burn it all down, unless they give him a reason not to.

 

[dobre_shunka]

His football days are likely done. No argument there. But outside of coaching, folks won't remember his name in a few years, especially if he implicates more prominent members of the staff and/or admin. He's just not that big of a fish.

But with his football aspirations behind him there just isn't much anyone associated with the University can do to make his prospects worse. If they want him to fall on the sword they're going to have to pay up one way or another. He doesn't need to keep anyone happy. It is in fact in his best interest to burn it all down, unless they give him a reason not to.

I'm sure there are multiple UM big money donors with businesses willing to put him on their payroll in exchange for his silence and promise to stonewall the NCAA (which has no authority to compel him to cooperate).

 

[JCHateSteve]

I'm sure there are multiple UM big money donors with businesses willing to put him on their payroll in exchange for his silence and promise to stonewall the NCAA (which has no authority to compel him to cooperate).

I agree. I've said that several times. My point is it's Michigan and it's donors that have to keep Stalions happy. Not the other way around.

 

[DaddyChad]

I agree. I've said that several times. My point is it's Michigan and it's donors that have to keep Stalions happy. Not the other way around.

I guess what we’re all saying is what’s the upside of turning Michigan in? They have to keep him happy about till Harbaugh retires or moves on. Not to mention the NCAA really only cares as much when the media is involved and this is fresh. Give it a couple years and no one cares probably.