Military recruiters told they can accept openly gay applicants

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MontereyVol said:
My wife is an 0-4 graduate of the Academy and NPS, she has done four tours to the ME, one with the Army and one deployment. She is a former NCAA track athlete and can outrun any distance runner on this board.

That said, I would pick a man over her to serve in combat. I try to take emotion out of decisions I make and she just doesn't have the physical attributes that I would need for a combat strike. Strap a 100 pound pack on her and she cant move.
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So the ability to achieve the mission without distractions, limitations, etc. is the desired goal correct?
 
#52
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Sir, I kill....I teach others how to kill. Not sure if that makes me "qualified" or not, but I tend to think that I do my job well.
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just wondering....does a gay guy kill any differently than a straight guy?
 
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BearCat204 said:
This is the point that I am trying to make. Sexual orientation could be a distraction as far as berthing and shower time, I get that. When it comes to combat situations, whether or not a guy is gay has no effect on the fight
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A gay can pull the trigger just as well as a straight. It's the OPENLY GAY part that will cause problems. There's nothing wrong with the don't ask don't tell IMO.
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droski said:
so if this goes full blown what will you do? quit? serious question.
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As previously stated on page 1, I don't care anymore. All I'm saying is those who think this is great and it will not affect the fighting force don't know what your talking about. There's been gays in the military since there was a military. There will be serious problems if male soldiers can openly date other male soldiers. That's all I'm saying.
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7thgroupvolfan said:
As previously stated on page 1, I don't care anymore. All I'm saying is those who think this is great and it will not affect the fighting force don't know what your talking about. There's been gays in the military since there was a military. There will be serious problems if male soldiers can openly date other male soldiers. That's all I'm saying.
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then my question is if you don't care what makes you think others can't deal with it too? of course it will negatively effect a percentage of the force, but the question is what % is it and will that % eventually get over it?
 
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what, specifically, will be the serious problems? that's the part no one has been able to explain to me.
 
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kev20 said:
what, specifically, will be the serious problems? that's the part no one has been able to explain to me.
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i'm sure there will be violence against some individuals. of course women haven't exactly had no violence against them in the military either.
 
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droski said:
then my question is if you don't care what makes you think others can't deal with it too? of course it will negatively effect a percentage of the force, but the question is what % is it and will that % eventually get over it?
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Won't have to worry about %'s if we keep the same policy.
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Won't have to worry about %'s if we keep the same policy.
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it's only a matter of time though. surely you must see that. therefore these people will either have to deal with it professionaly or quit sooner or later.
 
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droski said:
then my question is if you don't care what makes you think others can't deal with it too? of course it will negatively effect a percentage of the force, but the question is what % is it and will that % eventually get over it?
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If civilians cant take having gay people in their schools, what makes you think a bunch of 18 year olds in the military are going to be as tolerant as we on this board are?

If you are trying to see this issue through the eyes of an adult who has been through life's dramas then you would not be viewing this issue correctly.
 
#67
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MontereyVol said:
If civilians cant take having gay people in their schools, what makes you think a bunch of 18 year olds in the military are going to be as tolerant as we on this board are?

If you are trying to see this issue through the eyes of an adult who has been through life's dramas then you would not be viewing this issue correctly.
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understood. i went to an all male very homophobic high school and certaintly understand the problems. i guess i question if enabling that behavior is best for everyone.
 
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droski said:
understood. i went to an all male very homophobic high school and certaintly understand the problems. i guess i question if enabling that behavior is best for everyone.
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I am more upset with the PC culture using the military as their proving ground.
 
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i dont' see it as a proving ground. it is basically the only profession where you can get laid off if you are openly gay. it's the last bastion, not the first.
 
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droski said:
i dont' see it as a proving ground. it is basically the only profession where you can get laid off if you are openly gay. it's the last bastion, not the first.
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You do realize that you can get "laid off" for quite a bit more than that - there are quite a few things that are screened out that are otherwise permitted in the civilian world. The legal reasoning for this is "due process". Due process in the civilian world is far different in the military world. This judge is essentially giving a copy and paste standard between the civilian world and the military world. Her legal reasoning for this ruling is very dangerous for the military. Take 'homosexuality' out of this and you can insert endless other things based on "due process". But yet few people can even comprehend that or what this does for the military. Too many people are short sighted and hung up on the whole 'gays are equal' bit when it comes to this ruling.
 
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droski said:
i dont' see it as a proving ground. it is basically the only profession where you can get laid off if you are openly gay. it's the last bastion, not the first.
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You're wrong, I have had good men serve with me who were gay and how would I know if they had not told me? All were and are serving still. The public's perception of what goes on in the military could not be more wrong.

The policy is the CO determines whether you stay or go. That no different from the rest of society. If anything we were the first bastion to fall not the last.
 
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MontereyVol said:
You're wrong, I have had good men serve with me who were gay and how would I know if they had not told me? All were and are serving still. The public's perception of what goes on in the military could not be more wrong.

The policy is the CO determines whether you stay or go. That no different from the rest of society. If anything we were the first bastion to fall not the last.
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telling you privately is not the same thing as being openly gay.
 
#75
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Lawsuits, spill over, Joevols, political action groups being able to control how the military conducts business, Judges who think their rulings mean squat to the military.
 
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