Mitchell blames Burdick for Technicals

[gule]

the refs must be running Facebook now, they've ruined it too.

 

[Convoluted]

please don't. just take a long walk off a short peer.

A short peer would be a glance. Hard to walk on that. Or maybe you want him to walk on British royalty?

 

[Convoluted]

every damn fan base has had something to say about bad calls and bad officiating including the team you root for so you can stop.

Nowhere near to the extent that it happens here.

 

[ruggy1]

A short peer would be a glance. Hard to walk on that. Or maybe you want him to walk on British royalty?

wow seems I'm not the only one that needs a spell checker
:thumbsup::whistling:

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

A short peer would be a glance. Hard to walk on that. Or maybe you want him to walk on British royalty?

Glad you caught that Miss Convoluted. I used the word peer instead of pier so even ruugy1 could understand. :hi: I didn't want to get her all confused from the real spelling.

 

[ruggy1]

arrrrrr not HER:crazy: HIM:tease2:

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

arrrrrr not HER:crazy: HIM:tease2:

Really? :whistling: Have you checked lately?

 

[Convoluted]

Glad you caught that Miss Convoluted. I used the word peer instead of pier so even ruugy1 could understand. :hi: I didn't want to get her all confused from the real spelling.

That's what I thought.

 

[Convoluted]

Conn,allow me to introduce Pat Head Summitt who coached for 38 years and never had a losing season-- Geno has been at UConn 28 years before this year and has had a losing season.Pat had 1098 wins and that total would still be going up but for her illness.Pat was 31 for 31 NCAA tournaments,Geno was 25 for 28 til this year. In 38 years Pat was in 18 NCAA Final Fours and three AIAW Final Fours, with 8 NCAA championships and 7 runner up finishes(2AIAW,5 NCAA). Geno may eventually win more games and championships,but he'll never have the perfect record for making NCAA tourneys. All this aside there still are names like Wooden and Knight and several others to throw out there.Other posters have rebutted your three fouls called wrong mantra.

Yes, Geno’s had a losing season his first season. He inherited a bad team and improved it immediately. But even counting Pat’s games played before women’s basketball was even recognized as an NCAA sport, Geno has a higher overall winning percentage than Pat.
A much more significant accomplishment than winning seasons. Plus Geno accomplished his feat at a time when competition was much tougher.

Geno has won the National Championship 8 out of the last 19 years. Pat has never beaten Geno in a National Championship game in 4 tries. I'd guess she'd trade her perfect NCAA appearance record not to be zero for four in the championship game against Geno. That will always stand.

All time in head to head competition Geno is also the leader, having a record against Pat of 13 wins and 9 losses.

I could throw out other accomplishments like 90 consecutive victories, Geno has 7 Naismith awards to Pat’s 6 in 10 fewer years. I could cite more, but I believe what I have presented solidifies Geno as the best Women’s basketball coach to date.

We’re talking women’s basketball,coaches, not men’s BB or any other sport. If you want to consider other sports, I’m sure there are soccer, field hockey, wrestling, badminton etc coaches whose exploits exceed Pat or Geno’s.

Regarding the 3 foul calls, others have not rebutted. Saying “your wrong” is not a rebuttal.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

That's what I thought.

I thought it to be genious (genius) on my part.

 

[ruggy1]

Really? :whistling: Have you checked lately?

Sharp today,,got a good night sleep did ya ?:mf_surrender:

 

[Benionsopinion]

Yes, Geno’s had a losing season his first season. He inherited a bad team and improved it immediately. But even counting Pat’s games played before women’s basketball was even recognized as an NCAA sport, Geno has a higher overall winning percentage than Pat.
A much more significant accomplishment than winning seasons. Plus Geno accomplished his feat at a time when competition was much tougher.

Geno has won the National Championship 8 out of the last 19 years. Pat has never beaten Geno in a National Championship game in 4 tries. I'd guess she'd trade her perfect NCAA appearance record not to be zero for four in the championship game against Geno. That will always stand.

All time in head to head competition Geno is also the leader, having a record against Pat of 13 wins and 9 losses.

I could throw out other accomplishments like 90 consecutive victories, Geno has 7 Naismith awards to Pat’s 6 in 10 fewer years. I could cite more, but I believe what I have presented solidifies Geno as the best Women’s basketball coach to date.

We’re talking women’s basketball,coaches, not men’s BB or any other sport. If you want to consider other sports, I’m sure there are soccer, field hockey, wrestling, badminton etc coaches whose exploits exceed Pat or Geno’s.

Regarding the 3 foul calls, others have not rebutted. Saying “your wrong” is not a rebuttal.

Perhaps you should have had more clarity when you said Auriemma was the best coach ever.Gender of sport was not mentioned. There is as much believability in " your wrong" as in your diatribe about calls being wrong.So I say it is a rebuttal.As to your spewing about your hero,he never had to start a program from scratch and he will forever be tainted by having a losing season while missing out on three NCAA tournaments his first three years of coaching. To sum it all up --- opinions are like elbows,most everyone has them. Ammunition is plentiful for them,right or wrong.

 

[ruggy1]

Perhaps you should have had more clarity when you said Auriemma was the best coach ever.Gender of sport was not mentioned. There is as much believability in " your wrong" as in your diatribe about calls being wrong.So I say it is a rebuttal.As to your spewing about your hero,he never had to start a program from scratch and he will forever be tainted by having a losing season while missing out on three NCAA tournaments his first three years of coaching. To sum it all up --- opinions are like elbows,most everyone has them. Ammunition is plentiful for them,right or wrong.

be prepared you are getting into a hornnest here


Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Connecticut (Big East Conference) (1985–2013)
1985–86 Connecticut 12–15 4–12 7th
1986–87 Connecticut 14–13 9–7 T–4th
1987–88 Connecticut 17–11 9–7 5th

 

[ruggy1]

AND the all hell broke lose


Postseason
Connecticut (Big East Conference) (1985–2013)
1985–86 Connecticut 12–15 4–12 7th
1986–87 Connecticut 14–13 9–7 T–4th
1987–88 Connecticut 17–11 9–7 5th
1988–89 Connecticut 24–6 13–2 1st NCAA 1st Round
1989–90 Connecticut 25–6 14–2 T–1st NCAA 2nd Round
1990–91 Connecticut 29–5 14–2 1st NCAA Final Four
1991–92 Connecticut 23–11 13–5 T–2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1992–93 Connecticut 18–11 12–6 3rd NCAA 1st Round
1993–94 Connecticut 30–3 17–1 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1994–95 Connecticut 35–0 18–0 1st NCAA Champions
1995–96 Connecticut 34–4 17–1 1st NCAA Final Four
1996–97 Connecticut 33–1 18–0 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1997–98 Connecticut 34–3 17–1 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1998–99 Connecticut 29–5 17–1 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1999–2000 Connecticut 36–1 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2000–01 Connecticut 32–3 15–1 T–1st NCAA Final Four
2001–02 Connecticut 39–0 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2002–03 Connecticut 37–1 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2003–04 Connecticut 31–4 14–2 1st NCAA Champions
2004–05 Connecticut 25–8 13–2 T–2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005–06 Connecticut 32–5 14–2 2nd NCAA Elite Eight
2006–07 Connecticut 32–4 16–0 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2007–08 Connecticut 36–2 17–1 1st NCAA Final Four
2008–09 Connecticut 39–0 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2009–10 Connecticut 39–0 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2010–11 Connecticut 36–2 16–0 1st NCAA Final Four
2011–12 Connecticut 33–5 13–3 3rd NCAA Final Four
2012–13 Connecticut 35–4 14–2 2nd NCAA Champions
Connecticut: 839–133 (.863) 404–60 (.871)
Connecticut (American Athletic Conference) (2013–present)
2013–14 Connecticut 34–0 18–0 1st
Connecticut: 34–0 (1.000) 18–0 (1.000)
Total: 873–133 (.868)
National champion
Conference regular season champion Conference regular season and conference tournament champion
Division regular season champion Division regular season and conference tournament champion
Conference tournament champion

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Sharp today,,got a good night sleep did ya ?:mf_surrender:

eh, just a couple of hours. :thumbsup: Coffee does wonders though.

 

[CannonVol80]

Regarding the 3 foul calls, others have not rebutted. Saying “your wrong” is not a rebuttal.

Convo,

You do realize, don't you, that saying "you're wrong" is just as much a rebuttal as asserting your "opinion" as fact?

But, just in the interest of discussion, I'll "rebut".

I actually agree with your representation of the Bishop steal. I commented at the time that I thought it wasn't a foul (but went on to say that, given the number of times we had been called or the refs failed to make a proper call, it was about time one went our way!).

As for the out of bounds call at the 10:52 mark, Walker came from behind and knocked the ball out of Graves hands. 75-80% of the time that is called ball out on Walker and last year it would have been just as likely to result in an over-the-back foul call (not that I think Walker committed a foul).

Regarding the charge at the 10:28 mark, I thought it was a good call (although, I admit to a little bias). What it was, was a judgment call and one that went the way of the defensive player. At best it was a 50/50 call and not the "clear" bad call against Kentucky that your relatively obvious bias declared it to be.

Now for the final "foul". Cierra Burdick moved out to defend against a shot by Jennifer O'Neill. Burdick had come to a stop, was standing with her hands straight up and did not move. O'Neill jumped forward , into Burdick's lower body and threw the ball up in the general direction of the basket (a move that Shanna Zolman had perfected. And which I hated, even then.) As I understand the enforcement of the rules this year, the defensive player is entitled to her space and the question becomes one of who initiates the contact. Clearly, in my opinion, O'Neill initiated the contact and should have been called for the offensive foul, if a foul was called. Although, in my opinion, that would have been a good time for a decent (as in, qualified) referee to swallow his whistle and simply make no call. Would I be correct in assuming that you feel differently?

Jim

 

[Benionsopinion]

AND the all hell broke lose


Postseason
Connecticut (Big East Conference) (1985–2013)
1985–86 Connecticut 12–15 4–12 7th
1986–87 Connecticut 14–13 9–7 T–4th
1987–88 Connecticut 17–11 9–7 5th
1988–89 Connecticut 24–6 13–2 1st NCAA 1st Round
1989–90 Connecticut 25–6 14–2 T–1st NCAA 2nd Round
1990–91 Connecticut 29–5 14–2 1st NCAA Final Four
1991–92 Connecticut 23–11 13–5 T–2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1992–93 Connecticut 18–11 12–6 3rd NCAA 1st Round
1993–94 Connecticut 30–3 17–1 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1994–95 Connecticut 35–0 18–0 1st NCAA Champions
1995–96 Connecticut 34–4 17–1 1st NCAA Final Four
1996–97 Connecticut 33–1 18–0 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1997–98 Connecticut 34–3 17–1 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1998–99 Connecticut 29–5 17–1 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1999–2000 Connecticut 36–1 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2000–01 Connecticut 32–3 15–1 T–1st NCAA Final Four
2001–02 Connecticut 39–0 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2002–03 Connecticut 37–1 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2003–04 Connecticut 31–4 14–2 1st NCAA Champions
2004–05 Connecticut 25–8 13–2 T–2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005–06 Connecticut 32–5 14–2 2nd NCAA Elite Eight
2006–07 Connecticut 32–4 16–0 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2007–08 Connecticut 36–2 17–1 1st NCAA Final Four
2008–09 Connecticut 39–0 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2009–10 Connecticut 39–0 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2010–11 Connecticut 36–2 16–0 1st NCAA Final Four
2011–12 Connecticut 33–5 13–3 3rd NCAA Final Four
2012–13 Connecticut 35–4 14–2 2nd NCAA Champions
Connecticut: 839–133 (.863) 404–60 (.871)
Connecticut (American Athletic Conference) (2013–present)
2013–14 Connecticut 34–0 18–0 1st
Connecticut: 34–0 (1.000) 18–0 (1.000)
Total: 873–133 (.868)
National champion
Conference regular season champion Conference regular season and conference tournament champion
Division regular season champion Division regular season and conference tournament champion
Conference tournament champion

Ah! The other member of the Auriemma Sycophant Society adds to the discussion. As noted there is plenty of ammunition.You will see from the above stats that Geno's teams lost four times in the first two rounds of the NCAAs,which is four times as many as Pat's teams in 31 years. Scour some more,there are no game changers for you so far.

 

[Benionsopinion]

good post,but you should never sully a good post by using,his name that shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as our beloved CPS


great post by the way :clapping:

Thanks,GM,for the kind words!! And I'll watch out on using good and bad in the same sentence.

 

[Convoluted]

Convo,

You do realize, don't you, that saying "you're wrong" is just as much a rebuttal as asserting your "opinion" as fact?

But, just in the interest of discussion, I'll "rebut".

I actually agree with your representation of the Bishop steal. I commented at the time that I thought it wasn't a foul (but went on to say that, given the number of times we had been called or the refs failed to make a proper call, it was about time one went our way!).

As for the out of bounds call at the 10:52 mark, Walker came from behind and knocked the ball out of Graves hands. 75-80% of the time that is called ball out on Walker and last year it would have been just as likely to result in an over-the-back foul call (not that I think Walker committed a foul).

Regarding the charge at the 10:28 mark, I thought it was a good call (although, I admit to a little bias). What it was, was a judgment call and one that went the way of the defensive player. At best it was a 50/50 call and not the "clear" bad call against Kentucky that your relatively obvious bias declared it to be.

Now for the final "foul". Cierra Burdick moved out to defend against a shot by Jennifer O'Neill. Burdick had come to a stop, was standing with her hands straight up and did not move. O'Neill jumped forward , into Burdick's lower body and threw the ball up in the general direction of the basket (a move that Shanna Zolman had perfected. And which I hated, even then.) As I understand the enforcement of the rules this year, the defensive player is entitled to her space and the question becomes one of who initiates the contact. Clearly, in my opinion, O'Neill initiated the contact and should have been called for the offensive foul, if a foul was called. Although, in my opinion, that would have been a good time for a decent (as in, qualified) referee to swallow his whistle and simply make no call. Would I be correct in assuming that you feel differently?

Jim

I appreciate your detail response. That is what I call a rebuttal. It’s a logical assessment that can lead others to reconsider their opinion. Just saying “you’re wrong” doesn’t even require a person to view the incident and thus, in my view, isn’t a valid opinion.

I only brought up the three calls in relation to the subsequent brouhaha, not in regard to how many total bad calls there were against each team. In general, I don’t fret over bad calls because refs are human and make mistakes and refs must react instantly. I believe ref errors even out over time. All teams suffer equally. We have benefit of replay and slo-mo to help us criticize the calls, but doing so is an exercise in futility, because it changes nothing.

The real benefit of reviewing calls is that it can give us a better understanding of the rules and hones our ability to see a play accurately and with less bias. Bias will never totally be eliminated as its part of human nature.

Of the three plays I mentioned, I agree with you that the steal was the only clearly bad call.

I looked at the Burdick defending against O’Neill’s drive from the standpoint of whether Burdick was in position before O’Neill left the ground in her attempt to shoot. The rule indicates the defender has to be in place before the offensive player is in the air. After several reviews of the tape, it is apparent to me that Burdick was not stationary before O’Neill went up for the shot. When O’neill’s defender fell down, Burdick had to take over the defense and wasn't in a good spot to do so. She moved laterally in front of O’Neill but was late in doing so. Yes, Burdick did have her hands up but she was still moving when O’Neil left the ground and even when they collided. I don’t fault the ref for not seeing what it took several post mortem tape reviews to determine. It’s one of the most difficult calls to get right. I think a no call by the ref would have been better than a foul, but I think the right call was 2 shots for O'Neill.

On the out of bounds play, I truthfully couldn't tell who touched it last. I was mainly going by the announcer's assessment. I also agree with you that I initially presented my opinion of the 3 calls in a biased manner.

 

[gule]

geno stinks

 

[CannonVol80]

Perhaps you need to review that last play again. O'Neill's defender (Carter) was brushed off by a screen that could easily have been called a moving screen, although the refs are inclined to let that kind of thing go in the last minute, particularly in a close game. Burdick didn't move laterally at all. She came directly out from the post toward O'Neill. She had stopped, kept her hand raised and, in fact, took a small step back as O'Neill went up. The ball went off of Burdick's hand with no contact between Burdick's arm and O'Neill. The only contact was the lower body, which, as I said, was caused by O'Neill jumping forward and into Burdick. Last year, and in years past, this was clearly a foul on Burdick. It has been my understanding that the enforcement of the rule was changed this year to make initiation of contact the deciding factor in who the foul was on, if one was to be called. Either I am wrong in my understanding, or the ref who made the call didn't get the memo.

Jim

 

[Convoluted]

Perhaps you need to review that last play again. O'Neill's defender (Carter) was brushed off by a screen that could easily have been called a moving screen, although the refs are inclined to let that kind of thing go in the last minute, particularly in a close game. Burdick didn't move laterally at all. She came directly out from the post toward O'Neill. She had stopped, kept her hand raised and, in fact, took a small step back as O'Neill went up. The ball went off of Burdick's hand with no contact between Burdick's arm and O'Neill. The only contact was the lower body, which, as I said, was caused by O'Neill jumping forward and into Burdick. Last year, and in years past, this was clearly a foul on Burdick. It has been my understanding that the enforcement of the rule was changed this year to make initiation of contact the deciding factor in who the foul was on, if one was to be called. Either I am wrong in my understanding, or the ref who made the call didn't get the memo.

Jim

I'm not sure which play you're talking about. The charge that Burdick was defending was made by Thompson, not O'Neill. I called Thompson O'Neill in error in the last post. Can you give me the time that Carter was brushed off by the screen?

 

[CannonVol80]

Convo,

We are apparently talking about two different plays. I was referring to my description of the last foul that was called in the game when Cierra Burdick was called for a foul on the O'Neill shot from the corner. This occurred in the final two seconds of the game. In fact, the inbounds came at 1.8 seconds and after review the refs put .7 seconds on the clock.

Jim

 

[Convoluted]

Convo,

We are apparently talking about two different plays. I was referring to my description of the last foul that was called in the game when Cierra Burdick was called for a foul on the O'Neill shot from the corner. This occurred in the final two seconds of the game. In fact, the inbounds came at 1.8 seconds and after review the refs put .7 seconds on the clock.

Jim

Thanks for clarifying. I'll take a look at the last play but can't do it until the end of the week. Taking a mini vacation.