More Bruce Pearl Info - Andy Katz

#26
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VolInMusicCity said:
I won't pretend to know what other D-I coaches have in their contracts but the attorney quoted in the article seems to think Pearl's contract protects him more than most.

"It's hard to imagine a contract that affords a coach more protection than [fomer coach] Jim O'Brien's contract with Ohio State," said Columbus-based attorney Joseph Murray, who represented O'Brien in his lawsuit against Ohio State for terminating him for cause prior to an NCAA investigation. Bruce Pearl doesn't have to imagine though, because he's got just such a contract."

The problem is UT's lawyer's didn't specify minor or major violations as grounds for dismissal. They simply said "significant" violations obvioulsy leaving that open to some interpretation. If Jim O'Brien can prove in court that giving money to a recruit wasn't "significant" then Pearl's little cookout with Junior recruits won't be viewed that way either.

Murray said Tennessee would have a problem since the wording is "significant" not "secondary" or "major violation," meaning there would have to be a determination if the violation had a significant impact on the program and university.

In short, no firing anytime soon.
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O'Brien didn't get paid because the violation wasn't significant, he got paid because Ohio State fired him before the 'AA made any official findings.
 
#27
#27
First&Tenn said:
You didn't really expect UT to be on the better side of contract negotiations with a coach did you?

- Fulmer's 08 summer extension that upped his buyout and assured continued employment with 8 wins a season

- Kiffin's ridiculously low first-year buyout to go to USC

Brag about fund-raising all you want, but Hamilton always seems to get worked over on the contracts.
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I just feel sorry for you.

The 08 extension was mandated by major donors who wanted Fulmer to be wealthy enough to not be a bitter and poisonous person if/when he was canned. It did not work.
 
#28
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
I just feel sorry for you.

The 08 extension was mandated by major donors who wanted Fulmer to be wealthy enough to not be a bitter and poisonous person if/when he was canned. It did not work.
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If true, that is the dumbest reason for giving someone an extension in the history of extensions.

"Hey lets give our coach an extension so if we have to fire him he won't be bitter."

Makes no sense.
 
#29
#29
VolInMusicCity said:
I won't pretend to know what other D-I coaches have in their contracts but the attorney quoted in the article seems to think Pearl's contract protects him more than most.

"It's hard to imagine a contract that affords a coach more protection than [fomer coach] Jim O'Brien's contract with Ohio State," said Columbus-based attorney Joseph Murray, who represented O'Brien in his lawsuit against Ohio State for terminating him for cause prior to an NCAA investigation. Bruce Pearl doesn't have to imagine though, because he's got just such a contract."

The problem is UT's lawyer's didn't specify minor or major violations as grounds for dismissal. They simply said "significant" violations obvioulsy leaving that open to some interpretation. If Jim O'Brien can prove in court that giving money to a recruit wasn't "significant" then Pearl's little cookout with Junior recruits won't be viewed that way either.

Murray said Tennessee would have a problem since the wording is "significant" not "secondary" or "major violation," meaning there would have to be a determination if the violation had a significant impact on the program and university.

In short, no firing anytime soon.
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I wouldn't want to be in the position of advocating the assertion that straight up lying to your governing body isn't a significant violation. The fact Pearl has already allowed his salary to be slashed and been taken off the road for a year is essentially an admission the violations are of substantial import.
 
#30
#30
Hat do not parse words...

Tennessee will or will not have LOIC?

Tennessee will or will not lose scholarships in football? in basketball?

Tennessee will or will not have a post season ban?

I say no and no and no and no based on what has come out so far. You hedge.
 
#31
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Hat do not parse words...

Tennessee will or will not have LOIC?

Tennessee will or will not lose scholarships in football? in basketball?

Tennessee will or will not have a post season ban?

I say no and no and no and no based on what has come out so far. You hedge.
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Of course you are correct MHF. Lying to NCAA investigators is not considered significant by the NCAA. Every one lies when confronted by an investigation. They are used to this situation. Any way, most folks can't really keep up with when and how many times they contact recruits and absolutely have difficulty with identification of pictures made in their own home. I really don't understand why Pearl would have agreed to any self-imposed sanctions since nothing of significance really happened.
 
#32
#32
Tennessee wont get slapped with the Lack of Institutional Control penalty because they didnt violate the two cardinal sins in the NCAA (academic fraud, paying recruits before arriving on campus). Football will not lose any schollys. From what Ive heard here in Memphis, the biggest issue with the basketball team is not that violations were committed, it was the lying and coverup that was attempted. Thats an interesting situation and cant find any precedence with how they handle it. I also dont think UTK gets a postseason ban. I think the NCAA will slap all of the sanctions on the recruiting end and mayeb a scholly but they wont mess with the post season because there is too much money involved.
 
#33
#33
Another thing I find interesting is the self-imposed penalties placed on Pearl and how the NCAA views them. He was banned for a year from recruiting off-campus but was given a two week window beforehand? Doesnt seem to me the the university is taking the self-imposed penalties very seriously and the NCAA might agree.
 
#34
#34
homefry do you write for the paper in Memphis or bleacher report? They both made the same point in recent articles...

Giving them two weeks before the sanctions begin does give us a shot at shoring up our 2011 class. The 2012 class is going to be just fine.

This season UT should do VERY well and have some great momentum for recruiting.

Ole Bruce has not had a chip on his shoulder since he first came here. If they play as far above their talent as Bruce's first group played above their's we will have the best season we have ever had as a school.
 
#35
#35
I dont do any professional writing. I referee high school and college basketball so Im familiar with a lot of the prep players and know a lot of the media and journalists in the area. I dont think it would have been a big deal in Memphis until Pearl showed up at Melrose High unannounced on the day that Adonis was supposed to meet with Ben Howland of UCLA. His dad was not happy about this rendezvous.
 
#36
#36
If we lose scholarships or are given a postseason ban, I think it could be argued that the sum total of minor violations equal a major violation resulting in significant negative publicity being drawn to the program.

It also could be argued that in and of itself, knowingly lying to the 'AA is a major violation.

Before you all flame me, I am still a Slurper in theory...
 
#38
#38
PoochPunt3rdDown said:
If we lose scholarships or are given a postseason ban, I think it could be argued that the sum total of minor violations equal a major violation resulting in significant negative publicity being drawn to the program.

It also could be argued that in and of itself, knowingly lying to the 'AA is a major violation.

Before you all flame me, I am still a Slurper in theory...
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Keep the faith PP3D, the shrunken slurper population needs to stay strong. :whistling:

This too shall pass.
 
#39
#39
BPV, I think we both agree that if Bruce does not run a VERY tight ship from now on he is gone.

I am interested in hearing someone else talk about what I have discussed,

Now that Bruce Pearl is having to work very hard to follow all the rules, how significantly is he hampered against all the other coaches who freely admit they do not follow the rules.

In other words, on a 2013 player, when pearl is calling and texting the NCAA allowed amount and everyone else is texting more, will he be able to explain "I have the love for you, I just have to follow the rules?"

I think following the NCAA rules is a huge penalty in and of itself since no one else is.

If you have a DUI and know that if you get pulled over again you are screwed, and you are racing on the interstate, you will not win many races. Other guys go 79 in the 70, and if you go 70, you will not win the race.
 
#41
#41
Unless players are getting paid, I don't see the big advantage to what we were doing or the disadvantage to following the rules. Just not that big of a deal. We also have our name already in the ring. Might have mattered if he was new and still getting people to understand we have a program.

The year off the trail sucks.
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#42
#42
MikeHamiltonFan said:
BPV, I think we both agree that if Bruce does not run a VERY tight ship from now on he is gone.

I am interested in hearing someone else talk about what I have discussed,

Now that Bruce Pearl is having to work very hard to follow all the rules, how significantly is he hampered against all the other coaches who freely admit they do not follow the rules.

In other words, on a 2013 player, when pearl is calling and texting the NCAA allowed amount and everyone else is texting more, will he be able to explain "I have the love for you, I just have to follow the rules?"

I think following the NCAA rules is a huge penalty in and of itself since no one else is.

If you have a DUI and know that if you get pulled over again you are screwed, and you are racing on the interstate, you will not win many races. Other guys go 79 in the 70, and if you go 70, you will not win the race.
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Kind of like, if everyone on VolNation is calling one specific poster an idiot for his bizarre analogies and peculiar obsession with an administrator; if that hypothetical poster doesn't retaliate and call other posters idiots, then he is at a marked posting disadvantage.

I see your point... :)
 
#43
#43
Does name calling confer advantages?

I did use a signature of someone who was attempting to debate with me. He was shamed into changing his name.
 
#44
#44
MikeHamiltonFan said:
...Now that Bruce Pearl is having to work very hard to follow all the rules, how significantly is he hampered against all the other coaches who freely admit they do not follow the rules.

In other words, on a 2013 player, when pearl is calling and texting the NCAA allowed amount and everyone else is texting more, will he be able to explain "I have the love for you, I just have to follow the rules?" ...
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The excessive calls/texts thing is a byproduct of trying to keep the recruit focused on "YOUR" product. I'm quite certain Pearl will have to become more creative in keeping UT on the recruits minds. Blast out tweets through Twitter. Ever stop to wonder why Calipari has over 1.1 million followers on Twitter.
 
#45
#45
BigPapaVol said:
Unless players are getting paid, I don't see the big advantage to what we were doing or the disadvantage to following the rules. Just not that big of a deal. We also have our name already in the ring. Might have mattered if he was new and still getting people to understand we have a program.

The year off the trail sucks.
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heard Sam Bowie took a paycut when he left UK for the NBA........:lol:
 
#46
#46
CatsQueue said:
The excessive calls/texts thing is a byproduct of trying to keep the recruit focused on "YOUR" product. I'm quite certain Pearl will have to become more creative in keeping UT on the recruits minds. Blast out tweets through Twitter. Ever stop to wonder why Calipari has over 1.1 million followers on Twitter.
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Who in their right freaking mind gives a crap what color underwear Calipari is wearing. This is a Vol board. Inane crap about your mercenary doesn't matter even a little bit. His twitter account following doesn't even live up to such a crappy label as inane.

Hope that helps in the future.
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#48
#48
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Does name calling confer advantages?

I did use a signature of someone who was attempting to debate with me. He was shamed into changing his name.
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Clueless. Who wants to debate with a grown man who cuddles with a shotgun and a cutout of a division one athletic director?
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#49
#49
homefry20 said:
Another thing I find interesting is the self-imposed penalties placed on Pearl and how the NCAA views them. He was banned for a year from recruiting off-campus but was given a two week window beforehand? Doesnt seem to me the the university is taking the self-imposed penalties very seriously and the NCAA might agree.
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Just caught this gem. The entirety of the above post was a direct quote from a newspaper article from Memphis, I believe; just a cut and paste job. Wow, that is pathetic. :lolabove:
 
#50
#50
PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Just caught this gem. The entirety of the above post was a direct quote from a newspaper article from Memphis, I believe; just a cut and paste job. Wow, that is pathetic. :lolabove:
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I assure you that I am not a journalist but what I have said is 100% true. Relate it to whatever you so choose but it doesnt make what I write any less relevant.
 
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