more covid discussion from the basketball thread

[JohnWardForever]

Suggest you look at the vax %'ages of NBA teams and what they are currently experiencing

They don't want to face the Truth; since they bought in to the rhetoric 100%. Who to blame when them & most of the Players are Jabbed? Maybe they should search Dr. Malone, who created the mRna shot.

 

[vols 30]

Will the wokeness ever end?

 

[johnboyhunter]

Which is stupid AF seeing as how both are vaccinated, SMH

you can still get COVID and be vaccinated but much much less likely to be hospitalized or die. Stupid AF is not understanding science.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

you can still get COVID and be vaccinated but much much less likely to be hospitalized or die. Stupid AF is not understanding science.

I’m not trying to turn this political, but where does it end when it comes to sports/fairness? The kids were told to get vaxxed so they wouldn’t miss games, potentially hurt their teams, yet now that exactly what is happening? The % chance of college athlete being hospitalized/dying if unvaxxed was minuscule as it was, now he’s vaxxed and that % is even lower, doesn’t seem right to have to sit out.

For a vaxxed college athlete what’s % chances of death from COVID vs, seasonal flu/cold? Yet only 1 of those REQUIRES a player to miss time?

 

[omghulkhands]

I’m not trying to turn this political, but where does it end when it comes to sports/fairness? The kids were told to get vaxxed so they wouldn’t miss games, potentially hurt their teams, yet now that exactly what is happening? The % chance of college athlete being hospitalized/dying if unvaxxed was minuscule as it was, now he’s vaxxed and that % is even lower, doesn’t seem right to have to sit out.

For a vaxxed college athlete what’s % chances of death from COVID vs, seasonal flu/cold? Yet only 1 of those REQUIRES a player to miss time?

but are they contagious? It’s not like college athletes only interact / get near other college athletes during game days.

Its a public health decision not to allow contagious people into public, if at all possible

 

[johnboyhunter]

I’m not trying to turn this political, but where does it end when it comes to sports/fairness? The kids were told to get vaxxed so they wouldn’t miss games, potentially hurt their teams, yet now that exactly what is happening? The % chance of college athlete being hospitalized/dying if unvaxxed was minuscule as it was, now he’s vaxxed and that % is even lower, doesn’t seem right to have to sit out.

For a vaxxed college athlete what’s % chances of death from COVID vs, seasonal flu/cold? Yet only 1 of those REQUIRES a player to miss time?

less chance of catching COVID if vaxxed. And agree if your healthy, and vaccinated, and young very little risk. Not saying you may not feel sick. But you can still catch COVID and because of being vaxxed less severe. But they still have to follow protocols if infected because there are others involved besides the players. Can’t have COVID positive players around coaches, staff, refs, etc…. Got to follow quarantine protocols.

FYI I never mentioned politics and don’t mention politics on social media. I’m in healthcare so seem a lot the bad and ugly of COVID in numerous hospitals.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

but are they contagious? It’s not like college athletes only interact / get near other college athletes during game days.

Its a public health decision not to allow contagious people into public, if at all possible

Aren’t people with the flu/strep/etc contagious? Yet they aren’t required to sit out? In college athletes what’s the hospitalization/death rate for seasonal flu vs. COVID? Why does only 1 require missing time?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

less chance of catching COVID if vaxxed. And agree if your healthy, and vaccinated, and young very little risk. Not saying you may not feel sick. But you can still catch COVID and because of being vaxxed less severe. But they still have to follow protocols if infected because there are others involved besides the players. Can’t have COVID positive players around coaches, staff, refs, etc…. Got to follow quarantine protocols.

FYI I never mentioned politics and don’t mention politics on social media. I’m in healthcare so seem a lot the bad and ugly of COVID in numerous hospitals.

So don’t allow the players in the arena but allow 20k fans who may not be vaxxed and could all have COVID? Where they opt to draw the lines is what bothers/confuses me.

 

[johnboyhunter]

So don’t allow the players in the arena but allow 20k fans who may not be vaxxed and could all have COVID?

Oh I wish everyone would get all 3 shots and we wouldn’t still be in this mess, our hospitals wouldn’t be continuing to take it in the shorts, and less disruption. They can pretty much only control the players and staff. Have 2 players with COVID could have much more infected after the game, plus staff and coaches. They take it back home to where they live and have older parents, grandparents, family with co-morbidities and health issues etc… it’s a public health risk not to isolate when you are infected because there is a 2-3 day window before symptomatic and after symptoms that your most likely to infect others.

 

[omghulkhands]

Aren’t people with the flu/strep/etc contagious? Yet they aren’t required to sit out? In college athletes what’s the hospitalization/death rate for seasonal flu vs. COVID? Why does only 1 require missing time?

Non-omicron variants of Covid are orders of magnitude more fatal than the Flu or Strep in the general population. I thought we got over the Covid = flu nonsense 2 years ago, but here we are again.

You brought up college athletes death rate. I’ll say it again, it’s not so much about them as it is reducing spread as a civic responsibility.

I believe as time passes, Omicron variant Covid will be dealt with differently. But that will just require more conclusive scientific research, which takes tim.

 

[johnboyhunter]

Aren’t people with the flu/strep/etc contagious? Yet they aren’t required to sit out? In college athletes what’s the hospitalization/death rate for seasonal flu vs. COVID? Why does only 1 require missing time?

800,000 people haven’t died of the flu during COVID. Geez!! And yes if someone has the flu or any other sickness they should stay away from others. Pretty sure if players have the flu they will be kept away from other players.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Oh I wish everyone would get all 3 shots and we wouldn’t still be in this mess, our hospitals wouldn’t be continuing to take it in the shorts, and less disruption.

How’s that the case when vaxxed folks are literally still getting COVID, which was the exact point of this thread? Getting the vaccine doesn’t seem to be stopping anything, or even slowing it.

 

[kayman1]

It's not a vaccine if you still can get it. It's just a shot, like the flu shot.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Non-omicron variants of Covid are orders of magnitude more fatal than the Flu or Strep in the general population. I thought we got over the Covid = flu nonsense 2 years ago, but here we are again.

You brought up college athletes death rate. I’ll say it again, it’s not so much about them as it is reducing spread as a civic responsibility.

I believe as time passes, Omicron variant Covid will be dealt with differently. But that will just require more conclusive scientific research, which takes tim.

Then why are the athletes being held out while 20k fans are being let in?

 

[YankeeVol]

but are they contagious? It’s not like college athletes only interact / get near other college athletes during game days.

Its a public health decision not to allow contagious people into public, if at all possible

Bulls***. They could play if they had the flu...which Jordan did, and is hailed for it.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

800,000 people haven’t died of the flu during COVID. Geez!! And yes if someone has the flu or any other sickness they should stay away from others. Pretty sure if players have the flu they will be kept away from other players.

Not sure about that, how often have we heard about players not feeling well pregame and getting IV’s etc

 

[omghulkhands]

Bulls***. They could play if they had the flu...which Jordan did, and is hailed for it.

It’s literally in the same post you responded to. Non-Omicron Covid is not equivalent to the flu. Not in its effects or its virality.

 

[The Dog]

Bulls***. They could play if they had the flu...which Jordan did, and is hailed for it.

Now, it's food poisoning and Scottie says that doesn't compare to him playing with a bad back. Bwaa-ha-ha, Scottie's so bitter

 

[omghulkhands]

Then why are the athletes being held out while 20k fans are being let in?

of course there is hypocrisy there, buts there is also some nuance to it.

If they knew you were Covid positive as a fan, they wouldn’t let you into the stadium.

They happen to know Fulkerson and JJJ are, so they aren’t getting in either.

 

[i2amavol]

How’s that the case when vaxxed folks are literally still getting COVID, which was the exact point of this thread? Getting the vaccine doesn’t seem to be stopping anything, or even slowing it.

Stopped? No. Delayed, and Reduced severity? Yes.
Everything in life isn’t all or nothing, unfortunately. Why is that concept so hard to understand?
I agree with those that say it is not so much about the athletes or students as it is about those around them.

 

[volanatic]

I’m not trying to turn this political, but where does it end when it comes to sports/fairness? The kids were told to get vaxxed so they wouldn’t miss games, potentially hurt their teams, yet now that exactly what is happening? The % chance of college athlete being hospitalized/dying if unvaxxed was minuscule as it was, now he’s vaxxed and that % is even lower, doesn’t seem right to have to sit out.

For a vaxxed college athlete what’s % chances of death from COVID vs, seasonal flu/cold? Yet only 1 of those REQUIRES a player to miss time?

Man you’re not being political at all. It’s a legit question. They were often conned into taking this vaccine under exactly what you said, the perception that it would keep them in games. Was always a complete lie. Hate to say this but if you’ve been vaccinated because you believed you were protecting those around you or those you come into contact with, you’ve been mislead, or allowed yourself to be mislead. Vaccine is only to generate an immunity response within your body to minimize symptoms. Has absolutely no bearing on those around you. At all. I’m not vaccinated. Won’t be. Don’t need it, cuz I’ve had it. Twice. If you feel you need it for your OWN personal health, that’s your choice. These athletes have been turned into pawns. And for nothing. Shameful.

 

[omghulkhands]

Hate to say this but if you’ve been vaccinated because you believed you were protecting those around you or those you come into contact with, you’ve been mislead, or allowed yourself to be mislead. Vaccine is only to generate an immunity response within your body to minimize symptoms. Has absolutely no bearing on those around you. At all.

There is…some complicated truth to what you said. It’d take hours to talk through it.

But your last sentence isn’t completely true. Your antibodies give you resistance up to 50% from contracting Covid at all to the point you can become contagious. And if you do have a breakthrough Infection, you are contagious for less time.

So, yes, it does protect those around. Just not in the way many people erroneously believe

 

[omghulkhands]

How’s that the case when vaxxed folks are literally still getting COVID, which was the exact point of this thread? Getting the vaccine doesn’t seem to be stopping anything, or even slowing it.

This vaccine isn’t one that eliminates the chance you get contract the virus. The public seems to largely be misinformed about this and only is finally starting to come around on understanding that.

It reduces the likelihood by generating anybodies and reduces your symptoms.

to John Boy’s point, 90%+ of the people dying in the US now are unvaccinated. Meaning if everyone was vaccinated, we’d be having 160 die a day, instead of 1600. It would effectively be controlled.

I don’t think this last 25% of the population or whatever will be swayed enough to get the shot, so we likely will enter a process of natural selection soon where no protocols exist anymore and if you die, it’s your own fault because vaccines are available (and free)

 

[johnboyhunter]

How’s that the case when vaxxed folks are literally still getting COVID, which was the exact point of this thread? Getting the vaccine doesn’t seem to be stopping anything, or even slowing it.

May
At least 10 to 1 ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated in ICUs. That’s a mess. So although you can still catch it if vaccinated your less likely to and a lot less likely to get really sick (90% less chance of Severe COVID). So getting vaccinated is helping for sure. It’s not even debatable.

 

[omghulkhands]

There is also the concern of liability, insurance etc…

BTO, if they stuck you in a mail truck to work all day with someone they tested for Covid and was positive 2 days before, you’d br able to have an incredibly strong case via the union to take action against the company.

That liability exists here too