more covid discussion from the basketball thread

[johnboyhunter]

This vaccine isn’t one that eliminates the chance you get contract the virus. The public seems to largely be misinformed about this and only is finally starting to come around on understanding that.

It reduces the likelihood by generating anybodies and reduces your symptoms.

to John Boy’s point, 90%+ of the people dying in the US now are unvaccinated. Meaning if everyone was vaccinated, we’d be having 160 die a day, instead of 1600. It would effectively be controlled.

I don’t think this last 25% of the population or whatever will be swayed enough to get the shot, so we likely will enter a process of natural selection soon where no protocols exist anymore and if you die, it’s your own fault because vaccines are available (and free)

One of my friends is the medical director of an ICU (MD). She is frustrated as hell because people they had in there months ago (on a vent or ECMO) come back in the ICU and STILL have not got the vaccine. Of course she took an oath to treat these people no matter what but I agree that it has to be totally exhausting to see.

 

[SmokeVol]

If people are asymptomatic then they shouldn’t sit. Common sense needs to prevail at some point.

 

[omghulkhands]

Can we just nuke this thread over to the political forum?

I would argue everyone is being civil and mostly just explaining things like how vaccines work and why the athletic department has to make certain decision based on rules. And why those rules exist.

 

[etsuvol13]

I would argue everyone is being civil and mostly just explaining things like how vaccines work and why the athletic department has to make certain decision based on rules. And why those rules exist.

Which has zero to do with basketball. Send it

 

[johnboyhunter]

It's not a vaccine if you still can get it. It's just a shot, like the flu shot.

The flu shot is a vaccine and you can still get the flu but it would be less severe if you didn’t get the shot. Same with COVID vaccine. A shot is the method of delivery. Example, the doctor gave me a shot of antibiotics.

 

[omghulkhands]

One of my friends is the medical director of an ICU (MD). She is frustrated as hell because people they had in there months ago (on a vent or ECMO) come back in the ICU and STILL have not got the vaccine. Of course she took an oath to treat these people no matter what but I agree that it has to be totally exhausting to see.

Right. To be clear I know they won’t change the Hippocratic oath or anything. But I think eventually, the fed will totally stop subsidizing any amount of treatment costs to unvaccinated individuals.

 

[johnboyhunter]

Which has zero to do with basketball. Send it

think it is because someone said it was stupid for players not to play when they are infected. No one has mentioned any politics on this thread.

 

[bigdaddy]

Right. To be clear I know they won’t change the Hippocratic oath or anything. But I think eventually, the fed will totally stop subsidizing any amount of treatment costs to unvaccinated individuals.

Which would be illegal and mostly racist at this point

 

[omghulkhands]

Which would be illegal and mostly racist at this point

Fair point. Then they’ll stop subsidizing treatment period.

 

[johnboyhunter]

Right. To be clear I know they won’t change the Hippocratic oath or anything. But I think eventually, the fed will totally stop subsidizing any amount of treatment costs to unvaccinated individuals.

Or insurance companies won’t cover your hospital bill. But they cover your bills when you smoke for 40 years and get lung cancer, so that probably will not happen. It just raises the rates for everyone else.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Can we just nuke this thread over to the political forum?

Not a good idea. Do that and the same discussion will be going on in several BBF threads. Could take the non-roster COVID DISCUSSION over to the political forum or the Pub in those threads though.

 

[johnboyhunter]

Then why are the athletes being held out while 20k fans are being let in?

because they can control the players and have a protocol in place. And if someone knows they are infected and come to the game in the crowd, shame on them for risking others lives.

 

[johnboyhunter]

If people are asymptomatic then they shouldn’t sit. Common sense needs to prevail at some point.

2 days before symptoms is when you have a good chance of spreading to others and first few days of having symptoms. Some people may not show symptoms but can still spread it.

 

[VolGee4]

I’m not trying to turn this political, but where does it end when it comes to sports/fairness? The kids were told to get vaxxed so they wouldn’t miss games, potentially hurt their teams, yet now that exactly what is happening? The % chance of college athlete being hospitalized/dying if unvaxxed was minuscule as it was, now he’s vaxxed and that % is even lower, doesn’t seem right to have to sit out.

For a vaxxed college athlete what’s % chances of death from COVID vs, seasonal flu/cold? Yet only 1 of those REQUIRES a player to miss time?

As I understand, UT isn’t testing vaccinated, asymptomatic people. If true, he has symptoms, which probably means that he isn’t feeling the best either. A bunch of leaps to conclusion. Obviously need to know more.

Edit: there is a tweet in another thread saying a couple of players may be “under the weather.” Showing symptoms changes it for vaccinated people.

 

[VolGee4]

2 days before symptoms is when you have a good chance of spreading to others and first few days of having symptoms. Some people may not show symptoms but can still spread it.

Actually, the NFL has found that the spread is mostly by symptomatic people. That’s why policies have changed.

 

[golfballs]

Non-omicron variants of Covid are orders of magnitude more fatal than the Flu or Strep in the general population. I thought we got over the Covid = flu nonsense 2 years ago, but here we are again.

You brought up college athletes death rate. I’ll say it again, it’s not so much about them as it is reducing spread as a civic responsibility.

I believe as time passes, Omicron variant Covid will be dealt with differently. But that will just require more conclusive scientific research, which takes tim.

Today CDC reduced quarantine times by half because the Omicron variant is basically nothing

 

[omghulkhands]

Today CDC reduced quarantine times by half because the Omicron variant is basically nothing

Faster action than I expected honestly.

 

[golfballs]

If people are asymptomatic then they shouldn’t sit. Common sense needs to prevail at some point.

I think there’s some confusion over this. What I’ve gathered is that they felt sick and got tested.

 

[golfballs]

Faster action than I expected honestly.

I was surprised too. They said they need to make changes to recommendations based on each variant in order to best balance risk/impact to society.

 

[cardvolfan]

It's not a vaccine if you still can get it. It's just a shot, like the flu shot.

I just have to say it. You surely jest.

 

[johnboyhunter]

Today CDC reduced quarantine times by half because the Omicron variant is basically nothing

it seems to cause less severe symptoms but more contagious and still sending folks to the hospital. I’m glad it’s less severe but the infection rates are climbing and so are hospitalizations.

 

[cardvolfan]

Man you’re not being political at all. It’s a legit question. They were often conned into taking this vaccine under exactly what you said, the perception that it would keep them in games. Was always a complete lie. Hate to say this but if you’ve been vaccinated because you believed you were protecting those around you or those you come into contact with, you’ve been mislead, or allowed yourself to be mislead. Vaccine is only to generate an immunity response within your body to minimize symptoms. Has absolutely no bearing on those around you. At all. I’m not vaccinated. Won’t be. Don’t need it, cuz I’ve had it. Twice. If you feel you need it for your OWN personal health, that’s your choice. These athletes have been turned into pawns. And for nothing. Shameful.

There is a reason why caretakers of those with severe illnesses like cancer are highly encouraged to get flu, pneumonia, etc vaccines. That is precisely to protect those they are caring for.

 

[jarnol32]

you can still get COVID and be vaccinated but much much less likely to be hospitalized or die. Stupid AF is not understanding science.

Kind of like if your young and in good shape you have better chance of dying in a car wreck on your way to get the vaccine than you do dying from actual covid… But by all means bend the science to your beliefs if it makes you feel better, even if it makes you look dumb af…

 

[Volfan1000]

We will see if this rumor is true Wednesday night.

 

[omghulkhands]

Kind of like if your young and in good shape you have better chance of dying in a car wreck on your way to get the vaccine than you do dying from actual covid… But by all means bend the science to your beliefs if it makes you feel better, even if it makes you look dumb af…

To reiterate, the spirit of protocols is less about protecting an individual, especially a healthy, young individual

And more about keeping a healthy, contagious individual, from spreading a viral infection to potential unhealthy, vulnerable or unvaccinated individuals.

Who can then spread it to others, who can then spread to others etc…