more nazisms.

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haha i agree, so ill be eligible to run for office in like 10 years, lets start our campain now hahaha
 
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Rodgers' order prohibits employees from:
n Promoting prayer at school-sponsored events, including graduation.
n Planning or financing religious baccalaureate services.
n Promoting religious beliefs to students in class or during school-sponsored events and activities.
n Holding school-sponsored events at churches.
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still trying to figure out how this is wrong.

The title is misleading since this was done to stop them from promoting it at school not stop it altogether.
 
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utvolpj has it right. The title is extremely misleading.

Nobody is saying they can't pray, only that the school can't sponsor it. I don't see anything in the article that states if a group of students want to pray before, during, or after school they can't.

The ACLU actually got this one right. And there is certainly nothing "nazi" about it, unless you consider the constitution a nazi document.
 
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I agree with pj. The title of the article is misleading. The activities in question were all teacher-initiated/sponsored/led which does violate the FA b/c the teachers represent agents of the state. Activities that are initiated/sponsored/led by students usually have FA protection.
 
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rjd970 said:
utvolpj has it right. The title is extremely misleading.

Nobody is saying they can't pray, only that the school can't sponsor it. I don't see anything in the article that states if a group of students want to pray before, during, or after school they can't.

The ACLU actually got this one right. And there is certainly nothing "nazi" about it, unless you consider the constitution a nazi document.
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show me where the constitutions states "seperation from church and state" it was made up by a whacko judge. that is the biggest lie concerning the constitution as abortion is. yes ACLU are nazis, who should be tried.
 
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It's separation of church and state and it was not made up by a wacko judge. The idea came from Thomas Jefferson regarding the US constitution.
 
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joevol320 said:
show me where the constitutions states "seperation from church and state" it was made up by a whacko judge. that is the biggest lie concerning the constitution as abortion is. yes ACLU are nazis, who should be tried.
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show me where this ruling in any way violates the Constitution.

And I hope you know the 'whacko judge' who coined the phrase "separation of church and state" was a guy you can call Mr Jefferson. Pretty sure he had a better idea of what the Constitution means than you ever will.
 
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joevol320 said:
show me where the constitutions states "seperation from church and state" it was made up by a whacko judge. that is the biggest lie concerning the constitution as abortion is. yes ACLU are nazis, who should be tried.
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Who said anything about 'separation from church and state'. This is a typical knee-jerk reaction response with very little, if any, substantive thought behind it.

There is a little something called the establishment clause, which this school very clearly violated. The government can't establish any religion and this school was trying to do just that. Every one of the following is promoting a specific religous belief:

-Elementary graduations and middle school Christmas concerts held at churches.

-Teachers and staff at Pace High School preaching about "Judgment Day with the Lord."

-Teachers and staff offering Bible readings and biblical interpretations during student meetings.
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Like it or not, your hated ACLU lawyers actually are standing on firm constitutional ground here. Swallow your hate and deal with it.
 
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ask yourself this joevol, would you take issue if the school was promoting Islam rather than your choice of Christianity?
 
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truefan said:
You sure you are an American??? You want ACLU lawyers to die. You want liberals to die. You claim to love America, but clearly hate Americans. Especially anyone who doesn't espouse to your narrow and reactionary view of the world

As usual, you got it wrong
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+1

Its the nazis that killed ppl with opposing views...
 
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truefan said:
You sure you are an American??? You want ACLU lawyers to die. You want liberals to die. You claim to love America, but clearly hate Americans. Especially anyone who doesn't espouse to your narrow and reactionary view of the world

As usual, you got it wrong
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oh i don't want any of them to die, just tried for treason. you really love that reactionary word don't you. they do want this country to be a secular/humanist country and they are the lowest of the lows.
 
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You want them "tried for treason" and then killed? All you did was re-phrase the same idea
 
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utvolpj said:
ask yourself this joevol, would you take issue if the school was promoting Islam rather than your choice of Christianity?
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the fact is that we were founded as a Christian nation, no matter how the leftist want to rewrite history. i know the government shouldn't force anyone to practice a certain religion. having a prayer in school before a graduation or a game is not forcing Christianity on anyone, it's reconizing that our nation was founded as a Christian nation. If America was forcing religion on people we would not have the many religions we have today.

When our nation was founded, it was founded by Christians who believed in freedom of religion but also reconized God for their new life. the ACLU has become a humanistic/ anti-christian group that is determined to make the government and country a Godless country.

as for teaching islam, if our country was founded on islamic views then it would be a different story.

i'm sure the ACLU would have no problem if the school was praying a muslim prayer.
 
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the real test to see what the ACLU is all about is in the upcoming years, if conservative views are being discriminated against, then by its charter the ACLU is to defend those certain liberties
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
the real test to see what the ACLU is all about is in the upcoming years, if conservative views are being discriminated against, then by its charter the ACLU is to defend those certain liberties
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like what? It has nothing to do with "views" by a certain group
 
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truefan said:
Good luck convincing this group. Most of these guys think the ACLU is only for liberals.
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hey, I think some of their fights are dumb and ridiculous but to say they don't fight for right-wing cases too is just ignoring the facts.
 
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utvolpj said:
hey, I think some of their fights are dumb and ridiculous but to say they don't fight for right-wing cases too is just ignoring the facts.
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i just want to see the lawsuits that were filed by the aclu on behalf of Joe the Plumber. After the state government illegally looked up his personal info. was it 3 or 4 agencies that did that? not one lawsuit.

when asked about it, an aclu rep said "sssssss" luckily the reporter knew how to speak snake and translated.

the aclu rep said that no one should have their personal info looked up and released by unauthorized people. that was the extent of it.

the hypocrisy of the left is endless.
 
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American Civil Liberties Union : ACLU Cases Defending Religious Freedom

The ACLU of Southern California (2008) filed suit on behalf of members of a faith-based charity organization after park rangers threatened to arrest the members for serving hot meals and distributing Bibles to the homeless on Doheny State Beach.
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The ACLU of Louisiana (2008) filed a brief before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit supporting an individual's right to quote Bible verses on public streets in Zachary, Louisiana.
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The ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by religious beliefs, to restricted "free speech zones." After receiving the ACLU's letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.
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The ACLU of Wisconsin (2007) filed a friend-of-the-court brief arguing that individual pharmacists should be able to refuse to fill prescriptions that violate their religious scruples, provided that patients can obtain prescriptions from willing providers in a safe and timely manner.
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Just a few of the examples of the liberal, God-hating ACLU at work. There are plenty more in the link
 
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joevol320 said:
the fact is that we were founded as a Christian nation, no matter how the leftist want to rewrite history. i know the government shouldn't force anyone to practice a certain religion. having a prayer in school before a graduation or a game is not forcing Christianity on anyone, it's reconizing that our nation was founded as a Christian nation. If America was forcing religion on people we would not have the many religions we have today.

When our nation was founded, it was founded by Christians who believed in freedom of religion but also reconized God for their new life. the ACLU has become a humanistic/ anti-christian group that is determined to make the government and country a Godless country.

as for teaching islam, if our country was founded on islamic views then it would be a different story.

i'm sure the ACLU would have no problem if the school was praying a muslim prayer.
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List of deists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some pretty interesting names on this list, such as Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklin. Happy reading!
 
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Jefferson actually re-wrote a version of the Bible that focused on the political and social teachings of Christ, but left out all the fantasy stuff.

I'm certainly not a religious person by any means, I'm sure everybody here pretty much knows that. But that doesn't mean that I believe Christ was talking nonsense with everything he said. Some things are beautifully written and useful to society. Even as an atheist, I believe his core teaching of compassion is a good thing. I'm sure the founding fathers saw the use in that. But to say that they believed in the prayer answering, miracle reaking God everyday Christians believe in today is wrong. Jefferson and Franklin had a lot to say about that. And the ones that did believe in the supernatural God most Americans do today, definitely saw that any sort of government system that establishes it as part of rule would be a huge mistake.
 
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