More on the octuplets born in California.

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This story gets more controversial as it comes to light.

A 33 year old single mother with six (6) kids. She takes fertility treatments and has eight (8) more. She is now a single mother with FOURTEEN (14) children.

Some doctors are questioning the ethics of her doctors.

The medical community, meanwhile, remain divided about the ethics of implanting so many embryos when the chances of an unusually large number of multiple births were so high. According to the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, doctors would usually refuse to implant any more than two embryos at any given time for a woman under the age of 35.
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1. Why would a single mother with 6 kids be on fertility treatments?

2. Are these children going to recipients of Federal aid (welfare)?

3. Did the father know she was on fertility treatments? Is this poor sap on the hook for child support for 8 kids?

My thoughts are, have as many kids as you want, IF YOU CAN AFFORD THEM. Honestly, the second she applies for Federal aid, the kids should go to foster care.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5618449.ece
 
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it's a little vague from the article if she is a single mom. but certainly a 33 year old who already has 6 kids doesn't need 8 more. this women must have serious mental problems.
 
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droski said:
it's a little vague from the article if she is a single mom. but certainly a 33 year old who already has 6 kids doesn't need 8 more. this women must have serious mental problems.
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MSNBC was saying this morning that she was a single mother.

Yahoo says,

CBS' "The Early Show" on Thursday that the mother is "fairly young" and lives with her parents and her six children.
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http://news.yahoo.com
 
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If that is true there is little doubt that she is receiving government assistance, either that or her parents are loaded.
 
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Completely insane. She should hook up with that family in Arkansas. They have been doing it all wrong. I mean who in the right mind only has one kid at a time these days? lol
 
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she saw the coming welfare state and decided to start her own, private little commune.
 
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LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."

Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.
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Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids
 
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the Doctor at that fertility clinic should be run out of town on a rail and stripped of his license.
 
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droski said:
it's a little vague from the article if she is a single mom. but certainly a 33 year old who already has 6 kids doesn't need 8 more. this women must have serious mental problems.
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It reminds me of cat hording, except with children. Pretty disgusting.
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I am all for it. The more people that blatantly exploit the system, less chance the system has of surviving.
 
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FOXNews.com - Octuplets' Mom Wants $2 Million From Oprah, Media Deals - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

The mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2 million from media interviews and commercial endorsements to help pay the costs of raising the children, the Times of London reported.
Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert. It was learned last week that she already had six children before giving birth to eight more. She now has 14 children younger than 8 years old.
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the sad part is i'm sure she can at the very least sell the first photos of the octuplets for hundreds of thousands of $$$$.
 
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droski said:
the sad part is i'm sure she can at the very least sell the first photos of the octuplets for hundreds of thousands of $$$$.
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Since this fertility clinic went ahead and treated this woman even though she already had six children I think they should foot the bill and save the taxpayers the trouble.
 
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When she found out she was going to have eight, should she have had an abortion?

(I understand your point that she shouldn't have gotten pregnant to begin with, but once she was, and once she knew, should she have obtained an abortion?)
 
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lawgator1 said:
When she found out she was going to have eight, should she have had an abortion?

(I understand your point that she shouldn't have gotten pregnant to begin with, but once she was, and once she knew, should she have obtained an abortion?)
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Personally I don't think so but that was her decision.

As for being treated at a fertility clinic, I find it ridiculous, after having six kids should it not be perfectly clear she is fertile and needs no assistance? They, along with her should be equally responsible for the money it takes to raise these kids.
 
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KB5252 said:
Personally I don't think so but that was her decision.

As for being treated at a fertility clinic, I find it ridiculous, after having six kids should it not be perfectly clear she is fertile and needs no assistance? They, along with her should be equally responsible for the money it takes to raise these kids.
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No way. The fertility clinic does not have a duty to decide whether a patient can afford to have kids. That would be an impossible standard for them to ever meet or enforce.

My questions vis-a-vis abortion was that the uber conservatives angry that she is going to go on welfare should have to face the fact that some abortions no doubt occur out of financial considerations of having a child.

My question is how do they reconcile their pro-life views with their complaint that we've got another 8 it looks like headed for the public dole.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No way. The fertility clinic does not have a duty to decide whether a patient can afford to have kids. That would be an impossible standard for them to ever meet or enforce.
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they pretty much already do decide who can have kids using their methods because of the huge price tag on the procedure. We have friends going through it right now and it is a huge amt of money. How was this paid for when it doesn't appear she had the means?
 
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lawgator1 said:
My question is how do they reconcile their pro-life views with their complaint that we've got another 8 it looks like headed for the public dole.
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It's called being responsible. If you are going to have 1 child, muchless 14, you should be able to take care of it without an extensive number of gov't programs.

What's the matter with this woman just having 6 kids she couldn't afford to care for?? Is that asking too much?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It's called being responsible. If you are going to have 1 child, muchless 14, you should be able to take care of it without an extensive number of gov't programs.

What's the matter with this woman just having 6 kids she couldn't afford to care for?? Is that asking too much?
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My question is what is the answer of the conservatives AFTER she finds out she is going to have 8 kids, not before. I agree the fertility treatment was absurd from the gitgo.

But once it was done and the doc says, "You are going to have eight kids," what do the conservatives want her to do? Have the babies and saddle society with the bill for raising them, paying their health care, education, whatever problems they might have, feeding and clothing them, etc., or do they think she should have had an abortion?

Seriously wondering how they reconcile the two possibilities here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My question is what is the answer of the conservatives AFTER she finds out she is going to have 8 kids, not before. I agree the fertility treatment was absurd from the gitgo.

But once it was done and the doc says, "You are going to have eight kids," what do the conservatives want her to do? Have the babies and saddle society with the bill for raising them, paying their health care, education, whatever problems they might have, feeding and clothing them, etc., or do they think she should have had an abortion?

Seriously wondering how they reconcile the two possibilities here.
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Give all 8 of them up for adoption... hopefully to a group of straight, married Christian couples.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Give all 8 of them up for adoption... hopefully to a group of straight, married Christian couples.
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LOL, re-trapped my trap I suppose.

But let's assume that adoption is not an issue.

In fact, let's assume that she is told she is having 8 kids and they are likely going to be special needs kids, costing millions each to care for.

What then?
 
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