Mosque firebombed in NY

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OJ said:
The south? I have heard it before but don't really know where it came from.
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It dates from Kansas City, Missouri in 1903. A man was forced to marry the girl he impregnated by her Protestant dad and brothers. A few years after the marriage, the dad and brothers then actually killed her husband.
 
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OJ said:
What does Islam say about Gay people
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Same idiotic stance other Abrahamic religions take.

This question seems to infer that people here think Islam is better than Christianity. I don't recall anyone ever saying or even implying that.

To me, it's just another book of rules passed down from a fictional entity and glorified by an ethnic group.
 
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I thought this thread was getting a mob of people together to fire bomb some mosques. WTF, what a disappointment.
 
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gsvol said:
Don't rule out a rival moslem sect, after all hundreds if not thousands of bombs have been set off by various sects of islam targeting other sects of islam.
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I'll spare you the ad hominem slights and actually respond to this rationally, although you're hardly deserving of such.

I could see this theory as a viable one in the hellhole that is the ME, but not here. Islam has limited allegiance in the States, and I seriously doubt you'd see an inter-Muslim attack of that magnitude here.

It would be like rival Church of Jedi denominations attacking each other outside of California.

I will ask though. If you were a betting man, who would you say conducted this attack? I don't want to hear distant possibilities. I want your final answer.
 
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volved said:
It looks like you are right. Lengend says he bombed the Muslims because they wouldn't let him use the bathroom. He bombed the Hindus because he had the wrong address. He also has an extensive criminal history. Apparently he is just a stupid atheist.

New York Fire Bomber Tells Cops He Had Grudges - ABC News
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He is definitely just a stupid and disturbed individual. He could be an atheist; he could be a Christian. According to Slate he made many anti-Muslim comments when questioned and stated that he wished he had done more damage to the mosque.
 
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therealUT said:
1. I do not care about gravesites. If all graves were dug up and the remaining carcasses were used as fodder for pigs it would be better than the self-glorification via personal memorials system that is currently manifested.

2. Christians have killed, wounded, and destroyed property in the name of Christianity just this past week in Egypt, Nigeria, and Kenya. It makes no difference if one person was killed or one million were killed. The fact is that Christianity is being used somewhere in the world to justify violence; so is Islam; so is Hinduism; so is Judaism. Do not think that Christianity is any better because durng the epoch of the past sixty years less persons have been killed, wounded, and/or oppressed in the name of Christianity than have been in the name of Islam.
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1. I think everyone understands your lack of respect for many things.

2. Really? Would you care to document your claims?

Your 'everything is the same' mantra just doesn't hold water when presented with the real facts.
 
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nbakerld said:
You're new to VN, and specifically the politics forum. It can get kinda nasty around here. But he was being sarcastic, so it shouldn't be taken that way.
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Fair enough. I feel a tad stupid now. I am an atheist, however I respect people with religious beliefs.... Therefore although I don't agree with Muslim views all the time I would never wish anyone any harm.
 
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gsvol said:
1. I think everyone understands your lack of respect for many things.

2. Really? Would you care to document your claims?

Your 'everything is the same' mantra just doesn't hold water when presented with the real facts.
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Using religion to justify killing one person is no better or worse than using religion to justify killing 7,000,000,000 persons. Your failure to condemn indivduals who carry out attacks on abortion clinics tells me all I need to know. In case you have forgotten you responded to my statement regarding the increased attacks with a simple, "Well, abortions increased nd abortion is murder." Religious terrorism is only religious terrorism when it is not your religious views sanctioning the violence.

You only kill persons when it comes down to direct self-defense; even then, said act is not righteous but it is excusable.
 
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therealUT said:
Using religion to justify killing one person is no better or worse than using religion to justify killing 7,000,000,000 persons. Your failure to condemn indivduals who carry out attacks on abortion clinics tells me all I need to know. In case you have forgotten you responded to my statement regarding the increased attacks with a simple, "Well, abortions increased nd abortion is murder." Religious terrorism is only religious terrorism when it is not your religious views sanctioning the violence.

You only kill persons when it comes down to direct self-defense; even then, said act is not righteous but it is excusable.
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Full disclosure right off the bat: I'm Christian. However, I will say that you are correct in terms of hypocrisy in religions. What I don't understand is why Christianity is the one religion constantly being ridiculed. I know Christians who aren't nice people, I know atheists who aren't nice people, I know Muslims who aren't nice people, I know Hindus who aren't nice people, I know Jews who aren't nice people... see how this works? Religion is used to pursue inner happiness, and whatever one somebody chooses is completely fine by me, whether it be Christianity or even nothing at all.
 
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therealUT said:
Using religion to justify killing one person is no better or worse than using religion to justify killing 7,000,000,000 persons. Your failure to condemn indivduals who carry out attacks on abortion clinics tells me all I need to know. In case you have forgotten you responded to my statement regarding the increased attacks with a simple, "Well, abortions increased nd abortion is murder." Religious terrorism is only religious terrorism when it is not your religious views sanctioning the violence.

You only kill persons when it comes down to direct self-defense; even then, said act is not righteous but it is excusable.
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I agree that murder is murder but the sheer scope of islamic violence does make a difference to any thinking person.

You can count the incidence of violence at the behest of Christians on the fingers of one hand, it takes volumes to record the incidence of islamic violence.

You remind me of Stalin who said; "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic."


volved
It looks like you are right. Lengend says he bombed the Muslims because they wouldn't let him use the bathroom. He bombed the Hindus because he had the wrong address. He also has an extensive criminal history. Apparently he is just a stupid atheist.

New York Fire Bomber Tells Cops He Had Grudges - ABC News
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Tuut will be disappointed, he wanted this isolated incident to be a vehicle to condemn all Christians and Christianity as he often does.
 
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gsvol said:
I agree that murder is murder but the sheer scope of islamic violence does make a difference to any thinking person.

You can count the incidence of violence at the behest of Christians on the fingers of one hand, it takes volumes to record the incidence of islamic violence.

You remind me of Stalin who said; "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic."
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1. A religion justifying one murder, for any reason including capital punishment, is a transgression of the moral law. There are no degrees of transgression. Thus, both religions and/or both religionists would be immoral.

2. Takes more than one hand.

3. Stalin encouraged killing and killed persons. I do not encourage it and I will never kill another person.

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Tuut will be disappointed, he wanted this isolated incident to be a vehicle to condemn all Christians and Christianity as he often does.[/QUOTE]

I am not disappointed.
 
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So something muslim related got blown up?

That's a first.
 
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