Most Overrated Coach

[OriginalCoach]

he is a broadcaster right now though

Still overrated.

 

[igotworms]

They were the worst team in the big twelve when he arrived. You are crazy. He's one of the best coaches out there.

Clearly an asshat that heard about 2.3% of tbe story and made up his mind to conform to the masses and accpeted movement of the story
Same as with people on here claiming chip kelly is a bad coach and automatic ncaa magnet

No-one researches anymore and just goes with whatever is seen as popular
Sad world

 

[eskimovol]

He took a team that hadn't had a winning season since 1995 and won ten games or more multiple times and two conference championships. If you think no coach prior to him at Baylor played a weak non conference schedule during any of the 13 years without a winning season before he got there, then you're simply a fool.

If you don't remember how bad Baylor was, you must be 12.

Baylor played p5 teams when Briles got there, he lost to them. He didn't immediately turn around Baylor either, 4-8 first 2 years and 7-6 his 3rd. He was good because he played at most 3 talented teams a year and he made sure that they never played a decent ooc opponnent after those first 2 years. Stop thinking with your feelings and look at it for what it was. The only reason his teams won so much is because he broke any rule that prevented him from getting supremely risky/talented players and broke more to keep them there. And he made sure that he faced as few challenges as possible to make the win column look good. Which works on people like you and he wanted the playoff committee to see it that way as well.lol

It doesn't matter if he was at Baylor or any other historically bad school. He was a good not great coach that wanted to be a heavyweight playing only featherweights. And to your other point about prior coaches there and ooc opponents, the Big12 was also a better conference before he got there and Baylor did in fact play better ooc teams, not the best but better. It also still had Colorada and Nebraska plus Texas hadn't fully tapered off. He had to worry about 2 teams every year and thats it.

I dunno why you're so attached to what is quite literally one of the biggest cowards and scum to ever coach football. You can either see that or you're as ignorant as that 12 years old remark.haha Perception doesn't always equal reality, have fun relying on it though.

 

[eskimovol]

Clearly an asshat that heard about 2.3% of tbe story and made up his mind to conform to the masses and accpeted movement of the story
Same as with people on here claiming chip kelly is a bad coach and automatic ncaa magnet

No-one researches anymore and just goes with whatever is seen as popular
Sad world

Haha, says the "asshat" that clearly hasn't looked into it. My responses have been full of detail on why I think he was overrated, and if you weren't exactly what you just accused me of being then you would've seen I said he was a good coach, just overrated. Maybe do research next time before jumping to your own ignorant conclusions. You two have fun defending him, on to better things.

Kelly was def a solid coach btw.

 

[NashVol11]

They were the worst team in the big twelve when he arrived. You are crazy. He's one of the best coaches out there.

If people think he’s “one of the best coaches out there,” then eskimovol is absolutely right.

He’s a slightly better Mike Leach. He was never winning a title

 

[NashVol11]

Jimbo, but the shine is wearing off on him.
Kirk Ferentz.
Bobby Petrino.

 

[Vol8188]

If people think he’s “one of the best coaches out there,” then eskimovol is absolutely right.

He’s a slightly better Mike Leach. He was never winning a title

He came really close to winning a title at one of the worst programs in the nation. Winning a title isn't what makes a coach great. You have to look at what they did and where they did it.

 

[Vol8188]

Baylor played p5 teams when Briles got there, he lost to them. He didn't immediately turn around Baylor either, 4-8 first 2 years and 7-6 his 3rd. He was good because he played at most 3 talented teams a year and he made sure that they never played a decent ooc opponnent after those first 2 years. Stop thinking with your feelings and look at it for what it was. The only reason his teams won so much is because he broke any rule that prevented him from getting supremely risky/talented players and broke more to keep them there. And he made sure that he faced as few challenges as possible to make the win column look good. Which works on people like you and he wanted the playoff committee to see it that way as well.lol

It doesn't matter if he was at Baylor or any other historically bad school. He was a good not great coach that wanted to be a heavyweight playing only featherweights. And to your other point about prior coaches there and ooc opponents, the Big12 was also a better conference before he got there and Baylor did in fact play better ooc teams, not the best but better. It also still had Colorada and Nebraska plus Texas hadn't fully tapered off. He had to worry about 2 teams every year and thats it.

I dunno why you're so attached to what is quite literally one of the biggest cowards and scum to ever coach football. You can either see that or you're as ignorant as that 12 years old remark.haha Perception doesn't always equal reality, have fun relying on it though.

Not liking him and claiming he's an overrated coach are two different things. No, he didn't start winning because he lightened the schedule. In his first 10 win season he had TCU and Washington as an out of conference opponent. So your argument doesn't hold water.

Edit: I was wrong about TCU being out of conference. That was there first year in the conference. But anyone being honest will admit TCU made their conference stronger than Nebraska and Colorado.

Every program has recruiting violations. You keep pretending his were on the Hugh Freeze level, which is simply false.

 

[NashVol11]

He came really close to winning a title at one of the worst programs in the nation. Winning a title isn't what makes a coach great. You have to look at what they did and where they did it.

No, he didn’t. If he came close, so did Leach at Texas Tech.

He, Leach, and Petrino all build offenses that can make bad teams relevant, but when they face good defenses that hit them in the mouth and don’t let the QB throw for 400 yards, they almost always fold like lawn chairs.

People assume that a good record at a bad program means a national title at a big program (see the love for Mullen or Bill Snyder as well), but it doesn’t work like that. That’s a whole different challenge that you don’t overcome by playing finesse football.

 

[Vol8188]

No, he didn’t. If he came close, so did Leach at Texas Tech.

He, Leach, and Petrino all build offenses that can make bad teams relevant, but when they face good defenses that hit them in the mouth and don’t let the QB throw for 400 yards, they almost always fold like lawn chairs.

People assume that a good record at a bad program means a national title at a big program (see the love for Mullen or Bill Snyder as well), but it doesn’t work like that. That’s a whole different challenge that you don’t overcome by playing finesse football.

So much wrong here:

Let's start with the finesse football comment. Because it really shows you know nothing about Baylor football.

In 2012-2013 they ranked 15 in the nation in rushing yards per game. Only SEC team ahead of them was Texas A and M. In 2013-2014 they were #10 in the country. Ahead of every SEC school except for Auburn.

College Football Stats - College FB Team Rushing Yards per Game on TeamRankings.com

In 2014-2015 they were ranked 31st. Only 4 yards per game behind LSU.

How is that finesse football? Or did you never actually watch them play? Watch his son coach with Kiffin. They're running the ball all over people.

And your most recent college football champion was number 6 in the nation in passing yards per game. Florida St was top ten in passing when they won their title as well. So this idea that you can't throw the ball and win the big game is absurd.

On top of that, you claim they didn't do well against solid defenses. When Baylor played Michigan St in a bowl game, they put up over 40 points.

 

[NashVol11]

So much wrong here:

Let's start with the finesse football comment. Because it really shows you know nothing about Baylor football.

In 2012-2013 they ranked 15 in the nation in rushing yards per game. Only SEC team ahead of them was Texas A and M. In 2013-2014 they were #10 in the country. Ahead of every SEC school except for Auburn.

College Football Stats - College FB Team Rushing Yards per Game on TeamRankings.com

In 2014-2015 they were ranked 31st. Only 4 yards per game behind LSU.

How is that finesse football? Or did you never actually watch them play? Watch his son coach with Kiffin. They're running the ball all over people.

And your most recent college football champion was number 6 in the nation in passing yards per game. So this idea that you can't throw the ball and win the big is absurd.

On top of that, you claim they didn't do well against solid defenses. When Baylor played Michigan St in a bowl game, they put up over 40 points.

I’ve watched them play. They’re not winning a physical defensive battle under basically any circumstances. You have to be able to win games like that to win anything that matters.

Briles should be happy that he was in the conference with maybe the worst defenses I’ve ever seen.

 

[Vol8188]

I’ve watched them play. They’re not winning a physical defensive battle under basically any circumstances. You have to be able to win games like that to win anything that matters.

Briles should be happy that he was in the conference with maybe the worst defenses I’ve ever seen.

Have you seen their record since Briles left? He did more with less than anyone in college football. That's what makes you a great coach.

 

[NashVol11]

Have you seen their record since Briles left? He did more with less than anyone in college football. That's what makes you a great coach.

He used an unusual system to make a bad team into a Top 10 team. So did Leach. So did Bruce Pearl. They’re all good, but none of them are among the very best coaches in the country. Put them at Texas and they still won’t win a title.

 

[Vol8188]

He used an unusual system to make a bad team into a Top 10 team. So did Leach. So did Bruce Pearl. They’re all good, but none of them are among the very best coaches in the country. Put them at Texas and they still won’t win a title.

Because???

And for your claim that they weren't physical, you must not have been watching. They had a fb who weighed over 300lbs and their main run play was power.

And just so we are clear, what would a great coach have done at Baylor?

 

[bleedorange1983]

If assistant coaches are included.... Bob Shoop

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Ok commontater....way overrated coach

fyp

 

[05_never_again]

Kirk Ferentz - people conflate the length of his tenure with being a great coach. Iowa is a place of lower expectations, so you can average 7.5 wins/year there and be OK. That's exactly what he's done.

Jim Harbaugh is definitely creeping into overrated territory, but his non-Michigan resume is still so impressive I wouldn't put him in the "most overrated" category yet. Even still, he needs to have a big year in year 4 to avoid some really serious heat. He's been pretty good, but nowhere near as good as advertised, and he still hasn't beaten Urban (and probably won't again this year).

In his second stint at Louisville, I think Bobby Petrino has been overrated. Hasn't won more than 9 games in a season (including bowls), and has totally failed to take the program to great heights despite having a Heisman winner at QB. The job Petrino did at Arkansas was much more impressive.

He's not at a big program but still thought of as a "big name" (especially at a place like Illinois), but how about Lovie Smith? Didn't people have expectations of some sort that he could at least get Illinois respectable? He's 5-18 (2-15) in 2 seasons. I thought he was overrated as an NFL coach as well.

 

[GVF]

Before Michigan his rep was earned imo he did great job with sf and stanford

But he doesn't look so hot right now I agree still a ton of NFL teams would hire him

I think JH has more work to do at Michigan than anticipated. They are not where they should have been when he came in. Even being Michigan, the talent depth IMO wasn't really there for him to have instant success. Can't recall the situation at Stanford when he went in, but he is not the top dog. JH got alot of credit for Stanford, but in reality only had a .580 winning percentage there. David Shaw is the coach to be on someone's radar and I am surprised he hasn't been plucked. Shaw through 6 seasons has a .780 winning percentage at Stanford. He took what JH left and jacked it up.

 

[Boston Vol]

I think JH has more work to do at Michigan than anticipated. They are not where they should have been when he came in. Even being Michigan, the talent depth IMO wasn't really there for him to have instant success. Can't recall the situation at Stanford when he went in, but he is not the top dog. JH got alot of credit for Stanford, but in reality only had a .580 winning percentage there. David Shaw is the coach to be on someone's radar and I am surprised he hasn't been plucked. Shaw through 6 seasons has a .780 winning percentage at Stanford. He took what JH left and jacked it up.

The five years previous to Harbaugh’s arrival, Stanford was 16-38. He had a .580 winning percentage because it took a while to build the roster.

 

[Boston Vol]

David Shaw is the coach to be on someone's radar and I am surprised he hasn't been plucked.

He makes over $4 million a year, lives in Palo Alto, and is coaching at his alma mater. Why would he leave? He’s still young so I assume he’ll give the nfl a shot sometime in the future, but he’s never leaving for another college job.

 

[05_never_again]

I think JH has more work to do at Michigan than anticipated. They are not where they should have been when he came in. Even being Michigan, the talent depth IMO wasn't really there for him to have instant success.

Well, if the talent depth wasn't there when he came in, that's an even bigger indictment of him because they are getting worse, not better, in year 3. He's playing mostly his recruits now.

I think what he did at Stanford is absolutely incredible though. You can throw out that first year; he inherited a team that went 1-11 the year before and got 3 more wins out of them, including a win over #2 USC in Los Angeles. There was steady improvement after that: 5-7, 8-5, and culminated in a 12-1 final season with an Orange Bowl win. They were a midseason road loss to Oregon from winning the Pac 12 and playing for a national title. That Oregon team that year lost to Auburn in the title game. Could have very easily been Stanford; that's how good they were that year.

If you look at his time just at Michigan and what he is being paid relative to the results he's gotten, yes, he's overrated. If you look at his full coaching career, he seems much less overrated.

 

[NashVol11]

Harbaugh >>> Shaw. Shaw is the Butch to Harbaugh’s Brian Kelly.

 

[NashVol11]

Well, if the talent depth wasn't there when he came in, that's an even bigger indictment of him because they are getting worse, not better, in year 3. He's playing mostly his recruits now.

Didn’t they lose their starting QB in the first or second game?

I think he’ll be fine

 

[05_never_again]

Didn’t they lose their starting QB in the first or second game?

I think he’ll be fine

He's gotta get better play from a backup QB than what he's gotten though. Harbaugh is supposed to be an offensive/QB guru.

 

[Boston Vol]

Shaw is the Butch to Harbaugh’s Brian Kelly.

I wouldn’t go that far. More like Shaw is the Les Miles to Harbaugh’s Nick Saban.