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0nelilreb said:
No they aren’t gone . Let me introduce you to a company called Caterpillar just as one example .
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Caterpillar just shut down its Joliet plant that once had 7,000 employees and is now in Monterey, Mexico. Bad example.

90 percent of the plastics,refab, machinery, chemical, steel plants are not coming back.

Sorry man.

20 bucks an hour from an unhappy American vs 4 bucks an hour for a happy Mexican. Which would you hire?
 
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NEOCON said:
Caterpillar just shut down its Joliet plant that once had 7,000 employees and is now in Monterey, Mexico. Bad example.

90 percent of the plastics,refab, machinery, chemical, steel plants are not coming back.

Sorry man.

20 bucks an hour from an unhappy American vs 4 bucks an hour for a happy Mexican. Which would you hire?
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Ummmm Caterpillar runs an 80-20 work force . 80% full time 20% temps to make adjustments for economic down turns . I can tell you for a fact also Caterpillar doesn’t just “ shut down “ a facility , if they close one it’s been in the works for a while . Another way they run their company is by new product facilities which is in the northern states with unions and reman facilities in the southern states non union . I said all of that to say ...one union facility at Cat being moved does NOT mean the unskilled jobs are gone .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Ummmm Caterpillar runs an 80-20 work force . 80% full time 20% temps to make adjustments for economic down turns . I can tell you for a fact also Caterpillar doesn’t just “ shut down “ a facility , if they close one it’s been in the works for a while . Another way they run their company is by new product facilities which is in the northern states with unions and reman facilities in the southern states non union . I said all of that to say ...one union facility at Cat being moved does NOT mean the unskilled jobs are gone .
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Statistics state differently and you can debate the plant closing or not but it did.

2200 channahon rd is the address. Go say hi to the walls cause you won’t be able to say hi to any ppl.

Will some jobs come back? Yes.

But u are acting like a major influx is happening and we are headed back to pre nafta levels.

We aren’t. We won’t.

Us pAy is too high and the average us worker under 35 is lazy as hell.
 
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NEOCON said:
Statistics state differently and you can debate the plant closing or not but it did.

2200 channahon rd is the address. Go say hi to the walls cause you won’t be able to say hi to any ppl.

Will some jobs come back? Yes.

But u are acting like a major influx is happening and we are headed back to pre nafta levels.

We aren’t. We won’t.

Us pAy is too high and the average us worker under 35 is lazy as hell.
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I’m not acting like anything , facilities do not run without “ unskilled / skilled labor “ now if how you define that term makes your argument seem better I’ll roll with that but every job in those facilities has a training process for you to become skilled , trained , or accomplished at that job . The kicker is it difference between skilled and someone walking in off the street is only the amount of repetitions you do on that job . It’s a very regimented process . I’m not saying the labor force is growing by leaps and bounds I’m only refuting your claim that “ unskilled labor “ is gone .
 
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0nelilreb said:
I’m not acting like anything , facilities do not run without “ unskilled / skilled labor “ now if how you define that term makes your argument seem better I’ll roll with that but every job in those facilities has a training process for you to become skilled , trained , or accomplished at that job . The kicker is it difference between skilled and someone walking in off the street is only the amount of repetitions you do on that job . It’s a very regimented process . I’m not saying the labor force is growing by leaps and bounds I’m only refuting your claim that “ unskilled labor “ is gone .
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I view unskilled labor as any job you can pick up and damn near master within 90 days of training.

This type of job is either headed for Robbie the robot or a country where 7.25 is a ton of money.
 
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IF, Horowitz has a deposition from Mifsud coming clean on everything and IF Mifsud is actually a western intelligence asset.....

How many people had to sign off on authorization for him to participate and how high up the food chain do those signatures go?
 
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NEOCON said:
There will be some but it will never be at the level it was pre NAFTA or even close. It’s not a trump thing either. It’s a payroll thing.

Trump will do everything he can but low skill manufacturing jobs are gone.
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I disagree.

I see low skill at my manufacturing facility every day.
Saw it at my last 3 stops too.

They are usually the ones complaining about how much they get paid or saying stuff like "They dont have enough money to give us a raise, but they just hired two new people for QA. They should get rid of all the carpet walkers and give us more money. Why...if I left, this place wouldn't know what to do!".

Yeah......
 
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volinsd said:
I disagree.

I see low skill at my manufacturing facility every day.
Saw it at my last 3 stops too.

They are usually the ones complaining about how much they get paid or saying stuff like "They dont have enough money to give us a raise, but they just hired two new people for QA. They should get rid of all the carpet walkers and give us more money. Why...if I left, this place wouldn't know what to do!".

Yeah......
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You don’t strike me as unskilled labor type person. I am guessing you are a manager.

My definition of unskilled is probably too harsh and broad.

Unskilled labor to me was labor that required zero experience to start but received training on the job and could move up through the ranks as the skill was learned.

I was born in Parkersburg wv. Back decades ago you could come back from Nam ( because the government pretty much sent the whole damn city over there....not kidding) and get a job at the local plastics or chemical plant and work there until retirement and make a decent living. My aunt was able to stay home while my uncle worked there.

I just don’t see those jobs coming back in droves but maybe I am wrong. It does happen.
 
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Not a manager, just slowly climbing my way as high as I can due to working hard.

Got into pharmaceutical mfg after the military as a production line mechanic. I repaired radar and communication equipment in the navy. I wasnt a great mechanic at all, plus I never had anyone to teach me about motors so I was pretty far behind when i started.

I get the mechanic job (high pay). On a daily basis several mechanics would say "we have to call in the engineering team for this, or we dont have the parts to fix the problem.

I learned everything I could from them, then read every manual for every machine and started doing all the repairs they said couldnt be done.

Got promoted two times in 3 yrs to master mechanic.....the first one this multinational 300 Billion dollar company ever had. I'm not saying this to toot the horn, I'm saying that lazy is all around every mfg place I have been and it is pretty easy for people to make it and make a great career just coming in as an operator making min wage. All they have to do is more than the guy/gal next to them and prove themselves capable....they will be rewarded in kind.

There are 2 operators making bumpkiss at my plant right now who I am trying my best to get moved into a career high paying job. They work hard and do the extra work like reading a book every now and then hahaha. They will do great, even though they dont have the credentials that others might have.

So, thats what I mean when I say the jobs are there.
 
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Bruce Ohr Warned FBI Leadership That Steele Was Biased Against Trump And Dossier Funded by DNC


These 302s show that the FBI and DOJ were warned repeatedly by Ohr that ex-British spy Christopher Steele was virulently biased against the target of their investigation, Trump.

That bias tainted the credibility of the “dossier” Steele composed and upon which officials in the Obama administration relied when they officially launched their counterintelligence investigation on July 31, 2016. The “dossier” was also the basis for the surveillance warrant against former Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page.

The FBI and DOJ ignored the warnings of bias and actively concealed it from the FISC. They never advised the judges that the information contained in the “dossier” was “unverified.”

They hid from the judges that it was all funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Bruce Ohr Warned FBI Leadership That Steele Was Biased Against Trump And Dossier Funded by DNC


These 302s show that the FBI and DOJ were warned repeatedly by Ohr that ex-British spy Christopher Steele was virulently biased against the target of their investigation, Trump.

That bias tainted the credibility of the “dossier” Steele composed and upon which officials in the Obama administration relied when they officially launched their counterintelligence investigation on July 31, 2016. The “dossier” was also the basis for the surveillance warrant against former Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page.

The FBI and DOJ ignored the warnings of bias and actively concealed it from the FISC. They never advised the judges that the information contained in the “dossier” was “unverified.”

They hid from the judges that it was all funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

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I guess Ohr is off the right wing hit list now, Gump.
 
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