Multiple Players Test Positive

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Doctrippin said:
Meanwhile report comes out today over 300 testing sites are reporting 100% positive results. Can you say massive testing corruption scandal? We hear stories from inside hospitals of patients being tested over and over until they get a positive result. When it comes to this virus, folks, trust no one.
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I have a friend I go to church with who was tested twice on the same day (not sure why), but regardless, he got back 1 positive and 1 negative result. My wife works in the hospital and was reading somewhere that a nurse at a test site sent off 2 swabs that weren't used on anyone and they both came back positive. I believe it's mostly a political ploy.
 
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If youre old af, stay tf inside. Time to bite the bullet. If you're willing to let your business or the economy fail because youre worried about protecting others, then you are the problem. This will only go away once those most vulnerable shelter in place. We already know the infectivity rate is far too high to control. Just. Get. On. With. It.

Boomer Doomer virus only gives the snowflakes power. Its pure madness to condition perfectly healthy people into a perpetual state of fear. It only brings out the worst in people.

Who even cares about being politically correct at this point? You want to watch the news and watch the infectivity rate climb? Go ahead. Just dont make the rest of us feel bad cause grandma sang in her choir at church, got sick and died with a few of her friends. Its going to happen, regardless of a shutdown or not.

Edited to remove some word of mouth bs.
 
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All of you all who want to pass this off as not important have zero respect for vulnerable populations. More people testing positive is bad news for those who test positive and horrible news for the vulnerable. Stop being dismissive whiny babies and show that you care about someone other than yourself. You know why Europe is not as worried about it anymore? Because they have listened to their scientists and not acted like conspiratorial idiots. Now they have fewer people testing positive because they have generally been sensible and not arrogant.
 
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Astonishingly shameful response from this board. Absolute imbeciles the lot of you.

There's a reason England, Spain, Italy and others have been playing professional soccer for weeks and we're almost surely not going to be playing football six months after pandemic onset.

My personal anecdote FWIW, I am mid-20's and in pretty solid shape. COVID-19 put me on my ass for close to a week and disrupted my work/social flow for the 2-3 weeks after. I would hate to have gone through it in any worse shape than I am (7:30 average miles, 60-100 pull-up workouts), much less with actual health vulnerabilities.
 
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Vol Tradition said:
All of you all who want to pass this off as not important have zero respect for vulnerable populations. More people testing positive is bad news for those who test positive and horrible news for the vulnerable. Stop being dismissive whiny babies and show that you care about someone other than yourself. You know why Europe is not as worried about it anymore? Because they have listened to their scientists and not acted like conspiratorial idiots. Now they have fewer people testing positive because they have generally been sensible and not arrogant.
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You mean the Europeans countries that still are ahead of us in deaths per million?
 
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Listen to this lady. She describes the nature of T Cells and why they are relevant when discussing immunity to the virus.
Says around 10 percent in stockholm have antibodies and 20 to 30 percent have T cells, which can last up to 10 plus years. So thats roughly 30 percent that have some sort of immunity. Maybe more. Obviously the majority of the deaths in sweden come from the very old. Of that demographic the majority came from nursing homes where, on average 1/5 of the patients in nursing homes die within a month. Thus explains that many of those deaths were imminent regardless of the virus. So the immunity has spread to a large part of their population and the majority of those who arent immune have a great chance of surviving infection. The vulnerable remain ever vigilant. We are starting to see the fruits of this here with the large asymptomatic class of people and the plummeting death rate.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
If youre old af, stay tf inside. Theyve already determined the ones most likely to not wear a mask are the oldest age groups. I wonder if our media is even talking about this? Time to bite the bullet. If you're willing to let your business or the economy fail because youre worried about protecting others, then you are the problem. This will only go away once those most vulnerable shelter in place. We already know the infectivity rate is far too high to control. Just. Get. On. With. It.

Boomer Doomer virus only gives the snowflakes power. Its pure madness to condition perfectly healthy people into a perpetual state of fear. It only brings out the worst in people.

Who even cares about being politically correct at this point? You want to watch the news and watch the infectivity rate climb? Go ahead. Just dont make the rest of us feel bad cause grandma sang in her choir at church, got sick and died with a few of her friends. Its going to happen, regardless of a shutdown or not.
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No doubt in my area the older population is wearing masks at a higher rate than the younger population. I bet that is true for most areas of the country. Please provide the source for claim because I’m skeptical.
 
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sigmundoooz said:
You would have to define "safe". A piano might fall out of a cargo plane and land on someone's head. Was it "safe" to walk outside?
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Safe as in what can be controlled by the university or employer. The cargo plane analogy is silly, juvenile, simple minded and obviously not In the scope of what I was talking about. How old are you, pre-teenager?
 
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RobertPellitt said:
There are federal laws and state laws that cause an employer to make reasonable accommodations. So it is not quite that simple. An employee can't simply be forced to go home and not work and call it their "choice." That is not permitted under the law. Whereas, a player that is not an employee could say I don't want to come back because I don't feel safe, there is no law that protects his scholarship. That is why the comparisons fails. This is exactly what the Northwestern athletes were trying to address when they wanted to become a Union. The players don't have any real protection, except for good coaches and administrators that treat them with respect and dignity. They have no power, that is why a good institution will do what it can to protect and cancel the season rather than put them at risk. That is the whole point of this debate that turned sour. People, just expect them to play because we want to be entertained. It is not that easy, there is a legality and morality component to it. So when some simpleton rants about wanting football regardless of what else is going on it's childish.
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Apples and oranges, this response was to an employee issue.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
No doubt in my area the older population is wearing masks at a higher rate than the younger population. I bet that is true for most areas of the country. Please provide the source for claim because I’m skeptical.
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Safe to disregard i think. I hear a lot of talk daily and don't have time to check everything. People here in atx are generally good about masks. But the city is also talking about imposing fines on people not wearing masks so I think they take it a bit more seriously here. The fines would never stick, so I'm not sure why they keep grinding that axe. It's not going to work, especially w/ the amount of active people in the city. /rant
 
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Vol Tradition said:
All of you all who want to pass this off as not important have zero respect for vulnerable populations. More people testing positive is bad news for those who test positive and horrible news for the vulnerable. Stop being dismissive whiny babies and show that you care about someone other than yourself. You know why Europe is not as worried about it anymore? Because they have listened to their scientists and not acted like conspiratorial idiots. Now they have fewer people testing positive because they have generally been sensible and not arrogant.
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"More people who test positive is bad news", that statement is not 100% correct. It depends on the type of test. The most common and economical test is called an antibody test. An antibody test that is positive can be very good news. It doesn't indicate for certain that there is no virus present but it does indicate past exposure and the body's immune system has responded. Most of the time when a test spikes a high serology titre, the virus is in decline if not eradicated, i.e. the body has won the war against the virus. A PCR test that is positive, indicates the presence of virus. Both types of test results are included in the numbers being reported by the CDC. They said back in May, they realized it is a problem to be reporting both types of test in one number and they would start to separate the data. It's now July 15th and for some reason, they still report both types of tests as one number. Hmmm. OOPS, I forgot to include the caveat, not all positive tests are truly positive. Thus the term "false positive". The CDC did say a few weeks back that they believed that the tests were cross-reacting with other common viruses like influenza and giving lots of false positives. No one seems to talk about that very much.
 
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ejvols4 said:
Astonishingly shameful response from this board. Absolute imbeciles the lot of you.
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There's a reason England, Spain, Italy and others have been playing professional soccer for weeks and we're almost surely not going to be playing football six months after pandemic onset.
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The reasons are obvious. The outcome was certain.

My personal anecdote FWIW, I am mid-20's and in pretty solid shape. COVID-19 put me on my ass for close to a week and disrupted my work/social flow for the 2-3 weeks after. I would hate to have gone through it in any worse shape than I am (7:30 average miles, 60-100 pull-up workouts), much less with actual health vulnerabilities.
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Be well.
 
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#268
If I could just get 327,200,000 million Americans to comply with the mask order, the 3.4 would be all good!
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
A player likely loses the scholarship and employee his job. It put’s extreme pressure on an individual to go along depending on their situation. Regardless of your opinion , there is no doubt that liability concerns will be a major comsideration when determining if fall sports will be played.
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Guess the world should just stop..... shut all the factories down, etc. everything..... lol that’s basically what you are arguing. You cannot cater to everyone’s personal needs period all you can do is provide a better/safer environment for them and individuals choose themselves if they want to work/play/go to school/whatever. Life has to go on. Plain and simple.
 
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ru4real-really? said:
do not quarantine those showing positive results. Put them all in the sauna with team mates and expose every player on the squad until all test positive. After they all test positive, and two weeks pass, then we go on with the season. Why am I the only one who sees that. It ain't no big deal. Get it and get over it and get on with your lives.

There ain't nothing to having this virus people!

GET OVER IT!
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I have a friend that has had this Virus. He had no previous health issues. His lungs are so damaged he’s not sure if he’s going to be on oxygen for the rest of his life or not. This may or not be over played, but this thing is real. He’s also a lifelong card carrying conservative, so no politics involved. Very sad that I would even have to say that, but that’s the world we live in.
 
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Volatility said:
I’m not sure if Maryland was sued for the player’s death and/or if they settled, but it’s easy to side with the family as they could argue he was exposed to unsafe conditions. We could say covid is an unsafe condition since we don’t have a vaccine for it. I want football as much as anyone, but I don’t think universities will want to accept the risk of litigation.

But then again, some universities are allowing students on campus. So who knows what they’ll do...
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Once again, if we are to wait on a vaccine for SAHRS-CoV-2 to get back to “normal” life, pack it in now. There will never be a 100% effective vaccine. The same people with compromised immune systems that are at risk now, will still be at risk then.
 
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Volatility said:
I see your point, but we have to consider the risk of one CFB player dying as a result of covid. If a player dies, I imagine the NCAA would be sued along with the universities to hell and back.
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There is about a 0 chance a healthy alpha male athlete is going to die from this, get either assyptomatic or not and get over it in as little as 3 days race car driver Jimmy Johnson and the long will be around 14 days. BUT
The news media will run it on tickers and headlines as "Vols now have 85 cases" never subtracting the cured non active cases. That's how you roll when you're spreading Fear Porn.
 
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