Muschamp vs Dooley: Is Muschamp a Lame Duck?

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BeecherVol said:
Dooley proved he cant run a program from the top. Muschamp has proven he can coach one side of the ball pretty well but outside of one year he has yet to show he can run an entire program either.

Neither recruited (or has recruited so far) well enough to sustain championship talent.

Muschamps future rides on the new OC. The last 2 times UTs HC was in that situation (1 OC, 1 DC) it resulted in a change at the top.

JMO but UF is looking for a coach for 2015. Chances are they land a major upgrade.
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As usual, the voice of reason.
 
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fade route said:
Sorry, but Muschamp is 5xs the coach Dooley is. Muschamp at least won 11 games 2 years ago.......Dooley wouldn't get 11 wins with the 85' Bears playing in the OVC
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Those guys on the '85 Bears are getting on up there. I'd say they'd struggle going against college kids...even in the OVC.
 
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Dooley has a great offensive mind. That offense was explosive. He has a good eye for talent as well, but he had tunnel vision. He wasn't a good motivator, he wasn't good at all the outside stuff you need to take care of in todays multimedia, instant gratification world. You know that famous image of him talking about the germans coming. He's looking through the spy glasses with a scared look on his face. he was talking about himself in that instant, just nobody realized it yet. You can't say he didn't stay up all night with fret and step onto the field with a BROKEN HIP and put himself in danger if he wasn't trying. He just didn't know how big the job was when he took it. He's an old schooler. He focuses on what he knows. What he knows he knows well.
 
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Guess what I'm saying is; Maschamp has no plan, but Dooley was all plan. He wasn't able to deviate the plan and adapt.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Muschamp's had season ending injuries to his starting and backup QBs two of the past three seasons.

UF had eleven season ending injuries last season, ten starters.

We had water boys tearing ACLs at practice.

Luck? :eek:lol:
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Every team deals with injuries. I said they've had a bunch of luck because they have won a lot of games that came down to the wire and could've went either way. And some of those narrow wins were against terrible teams. Time will tell but Imo... Hes no Meyer or spurrier
 
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chattavol420 said:
Every team deals with injuries. I said they've had a bunch of luck because they have won a lot of games that came down to the wire and could've went either way. And some of those narrow wins were against terrible teams. Time will tell but Imo... Hes no Meyer or spurrier
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I missed where anyone suggested Muschamp was on the same planet as Meyer or Spurrier.
 
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If Florida had hired franklin I might be living in a cave somewhere.

Forever.

Morris?
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
You can hate on me if you want but if I were someone like Kansas, I would take Dooley as OC and Muschamp as DC and smile. Could be a wicked combo.
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Muschamp was an excellent DC, but I'm not sure I'd take Dooley as OC even at Kansas. Muschamp could be successful as a head coach somewhere other than Florida, and he'd be successful as DC at most top-tier programs. But it's starting to look like his skill set might not be the best match for HC of Florida.

Muschamp has struggled more with the intricacies of running a top-tier college program than player development and X's and O's. He doesn't do PR well, he's not a great motivator, and he doesn't have the people or management / organizational skills of a guy like Butch Jones, but he's clearly "football smart." I don't have an irrational hatred against Dooley like many here, but I never saw much evidence that he was a particularly good game coach, and I'm not sure he'd succeed as a coordinator.
 
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Dooley took over a much worse situation than Muschamp. Sure Dooley made some mistakes. I think the LSU and UNC game deflated his confidence and the team developed a can't win for losing attitude. It was a shame cause Tennessee needed a different style of coach after Kiffin than Dooley. Who? I don't know but today these kids don't usually respond to the smart a$$ coaches from the old days that we all played for. These kids have to be some what pampered. They also respond to high energy motivators like Butch, Franklin, miles, Urban etc...I'm around high school football players and their attitudes are totally different from the days of ole.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
I'm around high school football players and their attitudes are totally different from the days of ole.
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They all live in their own little world and they don't have appreciation for anything that isn't right now. It's this instant gratification, computer generated reality they live in. They have ZERO patience for anything as well. They can't focus on anything for more than 60 seconds...and oh yeah...GET OFF MY LAWN!
 
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Boca Vol said:
You'll have to swing by Two George's and the Banana Boat. They're beside each other on the intercoastal.
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Yes. They are both good spots. I was down there 3 summers ago and tried both. They are real close to where Im staying.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
They all live in their own little world and they don't have appreciation for anything that isn't right now. It's this instant gratification, computer generated reality they live in. They have ZERO patience for anything as well. They can't focus on anything for more than 60 seconds...and oh yeah...GET OFF MY LAWN!
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Hmm? Never mind me. I'm just thinking about evolution, computers, etc. and how they are changing the human species. Carry on.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Dooley is a well respected coach in a prominent team in the NFL last I checked. He brought in all kinds of talent, he just didn't keep them motivated. It was too much on his plate. Muschamp is a master of chaos and opportunity. I would take him over Kirby any day of the week.
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I really hope you're referring to this Kirby:



Otherwise your football credibility just flew out the window.
 
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I can't fathom a Tennessee fan defending Dooley. I hate Florida with a passion, but Muschamp is 10x the coach Dooley is. I will concede Dooley inherited a mess, but the 2012 roster had some great talent. Butch Jones would have won 8 games with that team.

Someone mentioned Dooley recruited great talent, and I would disagree. He did bring in a couple of superstars like Patterson, but the bulk of his classes were overrated 4 star players whose names I will not say but they have either transferred or are being passed up on the roster by sophomores and freshmen.

I actually think Florida wins at least 8 games this year and I hope they do. Florida is a top 5 program in the country when they have an elite coach. I am so glad they didn't land Franklin. He would have run roughshod over the East for a long time
 
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bamawriter said:
Based on what?

He's never been an offensive coordinator at any level.
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I think the poster is assuming that because the 2012 team, with 3 starting players who would eventually be first or second round draft picks, ran up great stats against so so teams, Dooley has a great offensive mind.
 
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My take:

Two years ago the Gators outperformed expectations, but they did it with a phenomenal defense and an offense held together by kite string and chewing gum.

Last year would have been a tough year, even if the injuries hadn't been so severe, because the team lacks an offensive identity, lacks next level offensive talent at basically every position, and it seems like very little is being done about it.

The current recruiting is, yet again, great on defense, but horrible on offense. We have no wide receivers to speak of. Our QB situation could get better with Will Grier, but it won't help if he has no one to throw to and the offensive line can't block a ham sandwich.

I am willing to give Muschamp the benefit of the doubt. But at this point I am very skeptical that he will be able to right the ship. And to continue my maritime metaphor, I think UF's long term success sailed when we let Charlie Strong move away. I say that because he was the key to recruiting in So. Fla., and things are so bad now at UF with respect to the best offensive talent being on the block, that its going to take a long time even to get on the map again.

Its a shame. Had we kept Strong, Florida could have moved into maybe not Alabama status in terms of perennial contenders, but probably LSU status. Put it this way: we'd have owned the East.

Now I think we struggle to stay mid-pack.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My take:

Two years ago the Gators outperformed expectations, but they did it with a phenomenal defense and an offense held together by kite string and chewing gum.

Last year would have been a tough year, even if the injuries hadn't been so severe, because the team lacks an offensive identity, lacks next level offensive talent at basically every position, and it seems like very little is being done about it.

The current recruiting is, yet again, great on defense, but horrible on offense. We have no wide receivers to speak of. Our QB situation could get better with Will Grier, but it won't help if he has no one to throw to and the offensive line can't block a ham sandwich.

I am willing to give Muschamp the benefit of the doubt. But at this point I am very skeptical that he will be able to right the ship. And to continue my maritime metaphor, I think UF's long term success sailed when we let Charlie Strong move away. I say that because he was the key to recruiting in So. Fla., and things are so bad now at UF with respect to the best offensive talent being on the block, that its going to take a long time even to get on the map again.

Its a shame. Had we kept Strong, Florida could have moved into maybe not Alabama status in terms of perennial contenders, but probably LSU status. Put it this way: we'd have owned the East.

Now I think we struggle to stay mid-pack.
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Florida just needs a mediocre offense to be atop the east with their defensive talent. I think surely they can get that figured out.
 
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