Muslims tell Christians: 'Make peace with us or survival of world is at stake'

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Muslims tell Christians: 'Make peace with us or survival of world is at stake'| News | This is London

Prominent Muslim scholars are warning that the "survival of the world" is at stake if Muslims and Christians do not make peace with each other.
In an unprecedented open letter signed by 138 leading Muslim scholars from every sect of Islam, the Muslims plead with Christian leaders "to come together with us on the common essentials of our two religions."
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and Pope Benedict are believed to have been sent copies of the document which calls for greater understanding between the two faiths.
The letter also spells out the similarities between passages of the Bible and the Koran.
The Muslim scholars state: "As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes."
The phrasing has similarities to the New Testament passage: "He that is not with me is against me" - a passage used by President George Bush when addressing a joint session of Congress nine days after 9/11.
The Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, a non-governmental organisation based in Amman, Jordan, has organised the letter.
The Institute said: "This historic letter is intended by its 138 signatories as an open invitation to Christians to unite with Muslims over the most essential aspects of their respective faiths - the principles of love of one God and love of the neighbour.
"It is hoped that the recognition of this common ground will provide the followers of both faiths with a shared understanding that will serve to defuse tensions around the world."
It continues: "Finding common ground between Muslims and Christians is not simply a matter for polite ecumenical dialogue between selected religious leaders.
"Together they (Muslims and Christians) make up more than 55 per cent of the population, making the relationship between these two religious communities the most important factor in contributing to meaningful peace around the world. If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace."
Among those launching the letter in the UK will be David Ford, Regius Professor of Divinity, and Fellow of Selwyn College, University of Cambridge and founding director of the Cambridge Inter-Faith Programme.
Aref Ali Nayed, a leading theologian and senior adviser to the Inter-Faith Programme, will also take part at the event in central London.
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Thoughts?
 
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Nothing that isn't already known about Islam or Muslims. Christians better get ready, because Islam wants the world by the sword. I'm ready to die as a Christian if they want to cut my head off. My God tells me that everyone has free will to do as they choose, not kill everyone who doesn't agree with you. I got Jesus and that's all I NEED!!
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Easy, nukes. :good!:
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Nukes should have never been taken off of the table in Iraq. The turning point in the war was when those contractors were dragged through the streets of Fallujah and hung off of bridges. Bush should have sent a very clear/strong message to not only the terrorists, but to the citizenry as well... "If you defend terrorists, you will taste the wrath of the US military."

I would have given the town 3 days to surrender those that are responsible. If they people responsible were not handed over, Fallujah would "glow in the dark"...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Nukes should have never been taken off of the table in Iraq. The turning point in the war was when those contractors were dragged through the streets of Fallujah and hung off of bridges. Bush should have sent a very clear/strong message to not only the terrorists, but to the citizenry as well... "If you defend terrorists, you will taste the wrath of the US military."

I would have given the town 3 days to surrender those that are responsible. If they people responsible were not handed over, Fallujah would "glow in the dark"...
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Yeah well, that's great and all, but we all know that the media is trying to ruin the war right now and doesn't want us to win. If we take care of business in the next 2 -3 years in Iraq like I think we will, the mainstream media will have to fire 50% of its workforce for failing to derail the war on terror.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yeah well, that's great and all, but we all know that the media is trying to ruin the war right now and doesn't want us to win. If we take care of business in the next 2 -3 years in Iraq like I think we will, the mainstream media will have to fire 50% of its workforce for failing to derail the war on terror.
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No, I think W and Rummy did that far better than this so-called media conspiracy could ever dream of.
 
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I take this as a warning sign from the muslims myself. Its saying come to peace and let us do what we want or we will go to war and kill you. Do you think im takeing this wrong? I think we do enough for the muslims myself, i mean we let them come into our country and preach there stuff, could we go over to there land and preach ours? :whistling:
 
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utvolpj said:
I think you guys missed my point but thats ok.
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I took it to mean if we had no organized religion, these problems wouldn't exist. I don't think this is a religion problem but a Muslim specific problem. Conflicts occur because of nations, money, power, religion etc.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
No, I think W and Rummy did that far better than this so-called media conspiracy could ever dream of.
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:eek:lol::eek:lol:

OK. If it wasn't for bad news from the war that our media could dig up, we wouldn't have any news at all. It's funny between the Gulf War and this war just how far from being patriotic we have become. We are trying to free and people from a previous dictatorship that told them what to do and when to do it. They don't know what freedom is just yet, but when they figure it out it's going to be a powerful thing for the Iraqi people.
 
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It is not a Christian or Muslim problem. It is a wanting power problem. Take away religion and people will find something else to use to motivate people to fight for. So what is your point utvolpj?
 
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utvolpj said:
So if they were all Christians and believed in your book it would all be ok. I see where you are now.
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I think you read a little too much into that. I'm the last person that forces my beliefs on people.

What other religion is sending out letters saying we must have peace or else?

I don't remember any christians, buddhists, hindus, etc flying planes into another countries buildings.

I don't remember how many other religions call non-believers infadels and authorize killing them if they don't convert.

I have no problem with people practicing what they choose to practice.

This stuff that is going on is a Muslim specific problem/issue- it has nothing to do with me wanting everyone else to believe what I believe.
 
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allvol123 said:
It is not a Christian or Muslim problem. It is a wanting power problem. Take away religion and people will find something else to use to motivate people to fight for. So what is your point utvolpj?
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Maybe so but the "my father could beat up your father" argument is getting old and tired. It's been used for thousands of years and I would have thought we could be past it by now.
 
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Most people are past it, in my opinion. I don't see a Christian movement or any other religious movement looking to do what the people of Islam are doing. I am not including all practicers of Islam in that statement. But there is certainly a group that has taken on that religion and is using it to spread death and hatred.
 
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JZVOL said:
I think you read a little too much into that. I'm the last person that forces my beliefs on people.

What other religion is sending out letters saying we must have peace or else?

I don't remember any christians, buddhists, hindus, etc flying planes into another countries buildings.

I don't remember how many other religions call non-believers infadels and authorize killing them if they don't convert.

I have no problem with people practicing what they choose to practice.

This stuff that is going on is a Muslim specific problem/issue- it has nothing to do with me wanting everyone else to believe what I believe.
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You take the extreme views of a few and put them on a huge group of people. Would you like it if all Christians were lumped in with the Westboro Church? No, and to pretend that those same extremist ideas don't exist with Christians is very naive.
 
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utvolpj said:
You take the extreme views of a few and put them on a huge group of people. Would you like it if all Christians were lumped in with the Westboro Church? No, and to pretend that those same extremist ideas don't exist with Christians is very naive.
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I have listened to many interviews with converted Muslims who talk about how true Islam is the extremiest version. Where as the extremist "christians" are not christians at all and have perverted the Bible. There is a big difference.
 
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utvolpj said:
You take the extreme views of a few and put them on a huge group of people. Would you like it if all Christians were lumped in with the Westboro Church? No, and to pretend that those same extremist ideas don't exist with Christians is very naive.
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Yea, find a religion that has a billion or so followers and I am sure you are to find some extremists. The difference is the levels of extremism.

Also, I bet there are a millions of atheists/agnostics out there. I am sure none of them have extremist views. :thumbsup:
 
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JZVOL said:
I have listened to many interviews with converted Muslims who talk about how true Islam is the extremiest version. Where as the extremist "christians" are not christians at all and have perverted the Bible. There is a big difference.
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You're right. There is a big difference in bombing a market in Baghdad and an abortion clinic in Birmingham.

And I don't buy the "converted Muslim" thing one bit.
 
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