I don't know as much about recruiting aspect in the basketball game in regards to rankings as I do in softball but the first comment stands out as an issue. Rankings are subjective and for the most part meaningless if you can't coach them up once they hit campus. Tennessee mens basketball under Barnes rebounded back to the top with guys like Admiral 3*, the next year all 3*'s in Grant Williams, Fulkerson, Bowden and Bone (Bone ranked 146). A great coaching staff can evaluate talent, needs regardless of recruiting rankings. Too many believe recruiting services are exact science.
I appreciate your honesty. Unless your home state is Cali or Texas, you are going to need to recruit nationally to win consistently in women's college basketball. In 22 you have New Jersey and you want players from Ohio and SC. In 2023 you want to be getting recruits from Cal, Indiana and Mississippi. That is going to be less important in the future as we are seeing more and more girls putting in the developmental work at earlier and earlier ages. The talent arc is going to get higher and flatter as we are getting more players who are very high quality. As the talent quantity grows your comments will be more appropriate. I will give you that in three years it becomes very important to get Tennessee girls to stay home. It remains to see if that is going to be just a spike or a trend.I don't know as much about recruiting aspect in the basketball game in regards to rankings as I do in softball but the first comment stands out as an issue. Rankings are subjective and for the most part meaningless if you can't coach them up once they hit campus. Tennessee mens basketball under Barnes rebounded back to the top with guys like Admiral 3*, the next year all 3*'s in Grant Williams, Fulkerson, Bowden and Bone (Bone ranked 146). A great coaching staff can evaluate talent, needs regardless of recruiting rankings. Too many believe recruiting services are exact science.
I mean obviously you can't take every instate kid that wants to be a lady vol and play at TN, I think what most are suggesting is if you have a top kid ranked maybe or talent wise or whatever maybe they should give the a chance I mean its not like your just falling off the radar by doing so if that kid has rhe skill and talent. Now as far as how many kids from TN can play in the SEC bc its physical 22-24 that can be a tricky question. How many of you think 24 jaloni Cambridge can play at the SEC level at 5'5 115 lbs, major talent problaly best PG in state or nationally can she match up physically probably not but that is where the coach has to come into play right? So to just base it off can a kid play thru the physical part is foolish. Look what the smallest of guards have done to TN in the past, they put a butt whippn on them. If a kid can play they can play but alot the time its are they in the right situation, right coaching style, right environment to thrive.
24 Jaloni Cambridge 5'5 115lbs is a top PG state and nationally
24 Madi hawk 5'10 150lbs is the top SG in the state in 24 class and is ranked nationally, she can also play PG. I would love to see these 2 together
But if both go else where which I am predicting it will be a shame.
Jmo
...Coach, I know this false premise hits home to you because you are actively involved with a 2024 and have almost promised to deliver her to UT.
Kids who grow up supporting and loving the Lady Vols will still do so even if these kids themselves are playing at Tusculum or Carson Newman or even Tech or Chattanooga. P5 basketball is a different animal it’s ok if not all players can compete at that level. I would rather play at the D2 level than ride the pine at a D1.
Recruiting is always it seems a spike or trend in TN but headed in the right direction for a yearly event. The last part is true in the current softball circuit now when you see kids headed to Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Texas AM, LSU just the last 3 years.I appreciate your honesty. Unless your home state is Cali or Texas, you are going to need to recruit nationally to win consistently in women's college basketball. In 22 you have New Jersey and you want players from Ohio and SC. In 2023 you want to be getting recruits from Cal, Indiana and Mississippi. That is going to be less important in the future as we are seeing more and more girls putting in the developmental work at earlier and earlier ages. The talent arc is going to get higher and flatter as we are getting more players who are very high quality. As the talent quantity grows your comments will be more appropriate. I will give you that in three years it becomes very important to get Tennessee girls to stay home. It remains to see if that is going to be just a spike or a trend.
Kids who grow up supporting and loving the Lady Vols will still do so even if these kids themselves are playing at Tusculum or Carson Newman or even Tech or Chattanooga. P5 basketball is a different animal it’s ok if not all players can compete at that level. I would rather play at the D2 level than ride the pine at a D1.
Kellie has said publicly that they won’t recruit kids they don’t think can compete at the level they need. I think this is wise.I mean obviously you can't take every instate kid that wants to be a lady vol and play at TN, I think what most are suggesting is if you have a top kid ranked maybe or talent wise or whatever maybe they should give the a chance I mean its not like your just falling off the radar by doing so if that kid has rhe skill and talent. Now as far as how many kids from TN can play in the SEC bc its physical 22-24 that can be a tricky question. How many of you think 24 jaloni Cambridge can play at the SEC level at 5'5 115 lbs, major talent problaly best PG in state or nationally can she match up physically probably not but that is where the coach has to come into play right? So to just base it off can a kid play thru the physical part is foolish. Look what the smallest of guards have done to TN in the past, they put a butt whippn on them. If a kid can play they can play but alot the time its are they in the right situation, right coaching style, right environment to thrive.
24 Jaloni Cambridge 5'5 115lbs is a top PG state and nationally
24 Madi hawk 5'10 150lbs is the top SG in the state in 24 class and is ranked nationally, she can also play PG. I would love to see these 2 together
But if both go else where which I am predicting it will be a shame.
Jmo
yes what kind of question is that lol?
I agree but your analysis does not go far enough. We are beyond Holly, no matter how one wants to characterize her tenure, which ended some time ago. The LVs program is in more than capable and competent hands. Simply put, the LVs program is under new management. Time to move on. Continued bashing of Holly has not won a single game to date and will not win any games going forward. I believe looking forward benefits this program way more than beating the dead horse of bashing the former head coach. Old news is old news. The future is bright for this program and the current coach, her staff, and great roster of student-athletes will turn heads this upcoming season. GBO.
It's to bring home the discussion that you have to recognize talent over rankings. Jolly based on her accolades coming out of HS was not a Parade All-American or even Tennessee Miss Basketball during her time. Although she won numerous awards (I assume All State, District etc.) she didn't have the big ones during that era that many put too much stock in. Believe Pat did the right thing by noticing that and bringing her in.