My SEC vs BIG10 comparisons have turned out OK..

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OSU is the only Big 10 team I really dislike and that’s only because of their fans. The Buckeyes play good ball after Urban Meyer upgraded their roster to be like an SEC team. But man their fans are the worst in all of college football.
I’ve enjoyed engaging them in the comments sections after they lost to Georgia. There is nothing so sweet as Buckeye fan tears (But Bama tears and Dawg tears are pretty close).
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, the same can not be said of the SEC.

These days, the B10 truly is 3 good teams and a bunch of Vandys. Even Wisconsin and Michigan State, which were once at least on par with, say, Ole Miss and Florida, have become very weak.

Here's kind of how the SEC has multiple tiers that the B10 is missing:

Top Tier : SEC 3 (Georgia, Bama, Tennessee) ... B10 2 (Ohio State, Michigan)
Second Tier: SEC 1 (LSU) ... B10 1 (Penn State)
Third Tier: SEC 4 (Ole Miss, South Carolina, Florida, Miss State) ... B10 0 (none)
Fourth Tier: SEC 3 (Kentucky, Arkansas, Auburn) ... B10 3 (Mich State, Wisconsin, Iowa ... and I feel like I'm being generous to two of them)
Bottom Tier: SEC 3 (Vandy, Mizzou, A&M) ... B10 8 (Maryland, Indiana, Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern)

That entire bottom tier are Vandy-weak. A&M is only there temporarily, probably. We'll see if their utter program meltdown lasts longer than just this season. Unlike A&M, Nebraska seems there to stay. Purdue could bounce back, some day. Maybe not. Northwestern had a few good years, but those are over.

The B10 is just 3 good teams and a whole bunch of Vandys (spread is 2, 1, 0, 3, 8)). We at least have a healthy tier system (3, 1, 4, 3, 3 is a pretty nice spread).

So no, the same can't be said of the SEC.
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Maryland is good and probably belongs in Fourth if not Third Tier. Purdue and Minnesota could go into Fourth tier as well.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Maryland is good and probably belongs in Fourth if not Third Tier. Purdue and Minnesota could go into Fourth tier as well.
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Perhaps. Sure, you could make that case.

But that's kind of really just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The B10 still has a huge gaping void in the middle tier. That is the main difference between them and the SEC: we have several middling teams who can jump up and make noise from time to time (like South Carolina ruining our chances at the playoffs, not to mention Clemson's...or Florida ruining Utah's chances way back in September).

The B10 has no spoilers of that nature. No South Carolinas...no Ole Misses. Michigan State and Wisconsin used to fill that gap. But no longer. The B10 is shaped like an hourglass, and the bottom lobe is MUCH bigger than the upper lobe. Meanhile, there's a practically non-existent center bit.

That makes it hugely easier for Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State to run the season undefeated except when they play each other. We have no such luxury in the SEC.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Perhaps. Sure, you could make that case.

But that's kind of really just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The B10 still has a huge gaping void in the middle tier. That is the main difference between them and the SEC: we have several middling teams who can jump up and make noise from time to time (like South Carolina ruining our chances at the playoffs, not to mention Clemson's...or Florida ruining Utah's chances way back in September).

The B10 has no spoilers of that nature. No South Carolinas...no Ole Misses. Michigan State and Wisconsin used to fill that gap. But no longer. The B10 is shaped like an hourglass, and the bottom lobe is MUCH bigger than the upper lobe. Meanhile, there's a practically non-existent center bit.

That makes it hugely easier for Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State to run the season undefeated except when they play each other. We have no such luxury in the SEC.
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Purdue has been a spoiler on several occasions. I mean they spoiled us last year in bowl game.

B1G was bad this year but in years past teams like Iowa, Purdue, Northwestern, and Illinois have made noise. I don't see a lot of separation between them and teams like Missouri, South Carolina, the two Mississippis, Arkansas, etc.

SEC does have more historic powers. B1G has 4 right now (Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska) while the SEC has 6 (Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee). Nebraska and Tennessee (until this year) have struggled for a long time though.

B1G is adding USC as a power program to try to close the gap but SEC has one upped B1G there by adding Oklahoma and Texas. So SEC will have 8 power programs to B1G's 5 programs.
 
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EZE said:
The top of the SEC showed out in this bowl season. Ga, Tn, Al and LSU have left little doubt about where the truly elite football is played.

You could make a very compelling argument that the top three best teams in the country are in the SEC.
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You most certainly could. Based on the bowl season, and particularly the Peach Bowl, it seems there is a great deal of parity at the top of the sport right now. If each of the top 6 teams played 10 games each against the other 5, I doubt anybody would win more than 6 or 7 games against a given opponent.

While I don’t think they’re head and shoulders above the other top teams as many of us seemed to think earlier in the season, Georgia is probably the most reliably good team with the best line play in the country on both sides of the ball. UT is typically dominant team whose secondary is a liability that got exposed badly in the USCe game. OSU is inconsistent but showed they’re a quality team in the Peach Bowl. Alabama is overly dependent on stellar play from their dynamic quarterback; Michigan doesn’t have a dynamic quarterback. TCU has finally made a believer out of me (sort of), but I don’t know that any of the other top 6 would necessarily need multiple pick-6’s from U of M’s 12-year-old quarterback to beat them.

Regardless, a lot of quality teams this year. Good year for the sport and excited for next year, especially for our Vols. GBO!
 
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Carp said:
OSU played UGA better than any team this year. If Ryan Day coached a little better or if Harrison doesn't get injured, they'd be in LA instead of UGA. I still think they're the better team, mostly because Stroud is about 1000x better than wonder bread Bennett. But I digress.


That being said, the B1G was top heavy. OSU, Michigan, and Penn State were the only good teams they had. And their bad teams were really, really bad.
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I don’t like Bennett at all because he’s a rub his ass on the carpet dawg, but look at his numbers compared to Stroud’s. They’re pretty darn good bro
 
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sjt18 said:
My argument with Big 10 fans all year was that Michigan and OSU had played weak competition. If they'd played better competition then one or maybe both wouldn't have made it in. By playing weak competition they weren't ready to play powerful opponents.
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Michigan, THE osu, and Santa Claus: All three have to perform only one day out of the year.
 
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Delmar said:
No, I think he is saying that if Georgia plays their A game, it doesn’t matter what TCU does. Georgia’s “best” will beat TCU’s “best”. And he is correct. Heck, OSU played as well as they could and GA played probably their B- game and OSU still couldn’t get the W.
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THIS

The Ga team that showed up vs tOSU was not the same Ga team that showed up vs UT.

The LOS play of Ga was not near as good in tOSU game as it was in the UT game.
 
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sjt18 said:
My argument with Big 10 fans all year was that Michigan and OSU had played weak competition. If they'd played better competition then one or maybe both wouldn't have made it in. By playing weak competition they weren't ready to play powerful opponents.
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OSU seemed ready for UGA. Lost on a last second FG miss.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I don’t like Bennett at all because he’s a rub his ass on the carpet dawg, but look at his numbers compared to Stroud’s. They’re pretty darn good bro
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No where near Stroud's numbers. And Bennett even played an extra game.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
You most certainly could. Based on the bowl season, and particularly the Peach Bowl, it seems there is a great deal of parity at the top of the sport right now. If each of the top 6 teams played 10 games each against the other 5, I doubt anybody would win more than 6 or 7 games against a given opponent.

While I don’t think they’re head and shoulders above the other top teams as many of us seemed to think earlier in the season, Georgia is probably the most reliably good team with the best line play in the country on both sides of the ball. UT is typically dominant team whose secondary is a liability that got exposed badly in the USCe game. OSU is inconsistent but showed they’re a quality team in the Peach Bowl. Alabama is overly dependent on stellar play from their dynamic quarterback; Michigan doesn’t have a dynamic quarterback. TCU has finally made a believer out of me (sort of), but I don’t know that any of the other top 6 would necessarily need multiple pick-6’s from U of M’s 12-year-old quarterback to beat them.

Regardless, a lot of quality teams this year. Good year for the sport and excited for next year, especially for our Vols. GBO!
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Good takes on these teams. I agree.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Purdue has been a spoiler on several occasions. I mean they spoiled us last year in bowl game.

B1G was bad this year but in years past teams like Iowa, Purdue, Northwestern, and Illinois have made noise. I don't see a lot of separation between them and teams like Missouri, South Carolina, the two Mississippis, Arkansas, etc.

SEC does have more historic powers. B1G has 4 right now (Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska) while the SEC has 6 (Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee). Nebraska and Tennessee (until this year) have struggled for a long time though.

B1G is adding USC as a power program to try to close the gap but SEC has one upped B1G there by adding Oklahoma and Texas. So SEC will have 8 power programs to B1G's 5 programs.
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I get what you are saying, but regarding your second paragraph, even with Tennessee struggling recently as you mentioned all 6 of those SEC teams have won a title more recently than any of the 4 big ten teams except for Ohio State. The SEC has been dominant the last 16 years specifically and no conference comes close, you don’t win 12/16 titles with 5 different teams by accident
 
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spacificislander said:
OSU seemed ready for UGA. Lost on a last second FG miss.
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Yea, I though OSU and TCU both came out of the month layoff/game prep time and played their best games of the season. TCU got the upset and OSU came very close. I felt like both Georgia and Michigan played good overall but not great. Michigan had three plays - a pair of pick sixes and fumble at the goal line - that cost them 21 points. Georgia's O - primarily Bennent - had about a 10–15-minute window where self-inflicted mistakes stopped 3 or 4 possessions.

Be interesting to see if TCU can get as up for a second big game in a week and also to see if Georgia comes out like the team we played (or Oregon) or if they come out like the team that played OSU (or even worse - Missouri, LSU in the second half).
 
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Sarms58 said:
Yea, I though OSU and TCU both came out of the month layoff/game prep time and played their best games of the season. TCU got the upset and OSU came very close. I felt like both Georgia and Michigan played good overall but not great. Michigan had three plays - a pair of pick sixes and fumble at the goal line - that cost them 21 points. Georgia's O - primarily Bennent - had about a 10–15-minute window where self-inflicted mistakes stopped 3 or 4 possessions.

Be interesting to see if TCU can get as up for a second big game in a week and also to see if Georgia comes out like the team we played (or Oregon) or if they come out like the team that played OSU (or even worse - Missouri, LSU in the second half).
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I didn’t see what happened coming. I thought UGA would win, but not like that
 
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spacificislander said:
I didn’t see what happened coming. I thought UGA would win, but not like that
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Ithought they would win comfortably - similar to how Bama beat Cincy last year. Figured they would run the ball eat clock and win 31-14 or so…but they were pissed off and came out throwing haymakers
 
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