N.Y. Picks Simmons In WNBA Draft

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Wasn't highly touted? Came out of nowhere? She was the MVP of the McDonald's High School All-America game!!!

clkou said:
Some of you forget that Meighan overachieved coming into college, NOT underachieved. She wasn't highly touted and came on hot as a Freshman out of nowhere and gave us 4 very productive, solid years. There's no reason she shouldn't at least get some playing time in the WNBA based on her quickness alone. She may even flourish if the team isn't relying on her to be the star player. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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meekfan said:
Great post armchair. Yes she might have been #1 LV's scorer in all of history BUT. . . how did the team do during her four years? It's interesting that last night I heard the CT coach talking about how Stewart needed to improve her all around game, to improve her ball handling skills. OMG this is the kid that was MVP of 2 final fours. Where is that kind of coaching here???
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Apparently then he didn't get her ball handling skills up to snuff. Some things college coaches are not able to perfect.
 
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AllforTenn said:
Apparently then he didn't get her ball handling skills up to snuff. Some things college coaches are not able to perfect.
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Well, you may be right. The proof will be in her performance next year. Really think that that coach can't get her to improve? Want to bet their 10th on that?
 
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I played against simmons yesterday at TREC (thats the rec center on campus for those of you who don't know) and she didn't do a whole lot.

what do you guys think about the argument of whether average male players could start/dominate the women's college basketball game?
 
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Chris89128 said:
Simmons was waived today
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Not terribly surprising, I suppose. I think SG is the hardest position for sticking on a WNBA roster. There are so many good shooting guards. I am, however, surprised that she was one of the first rookie guards to get cut. Marshall must have been playing well.

Unless Simmons adds some mass to her body, gets physically stronger, and learns to attack the basket, she will have hard time getting another team to keep her.
 
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I think the fact that Simmons turns the ball over and can't really play PG, hurts her on a WNBA roster To play guard in the WNBA you have to fit a system, play D, or be such a special player, they'd be a fool to cut you
 
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Chris89128 said:
I think the fact that Simmons turns the ball over and can't really play PG, hurts her on a WNBA roster To play guard in the WNBA you have to fit a system, play D, or be such a special player, they'd be a fool to cut you
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Everyone turns the ball over in the WNBA. The defensive abilities of teams generally far outweighs their offensive capabilities. Even great playmakers like Taurasi have horrible turnover numbers. I recall Kristi Tolliver having one of the bad triple doubles as well....

I agree that you have to fit in a system, and Simmons was too undisciplined in this regard. She needs to have the ball in her hands and the freedom to shoot until she warms up...and that's not going to happen for a rookie drafted in the third round. It would be hard for her to have come in and play very limited minutes under tight control when she never had to do that in the last 4 years.

It's a catch 22 with her. She's explosive, but she needs to have the freedom to make mistakes to be successful, it seems. Unless she completely overhauls her game, it will be tough for her to make a final roster.
 
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Taurasi fits category number three I mentioned. Simmons was a very good, above average, player at TN, but in my opinion not efficient or consistant enough to be great
 
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goonsquad said:
what do you guys think about the argument of whether average male players could start/dominate the women's college basketball game?
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When I was a Freshman high school basketball player, every so often, we would scrimmage the girl's varsity team and we would smoke them pretty badly. And, to be honest, the girls would play dirty and we would be a little timid not wanting to hurt them or anything. This was 20 years ago, but I'd say the average male basketball player was at LEAST two major skill levels better than a woman at that time based on that scenario.

The major difference between men and women, in not just basketball but most sports, is physical prowess. Women, by and large, are smaller, weigh less, and have less physical strength. That DOES make a big difference in game like basketball. Having physical strength can manifest in ways you might not think, like quickness and running speed. So, the average woman won't be as tall, strong, or quick and will be easy to knock around compared to the average man.

It's pretty daunting to make up for those deficits in conventional ways like shooting, dribbling, passing, and high basketball IQ.

Just look at dunking. I'm 6'1'' and white and got my first dunk on a regulation ball and 10 foot rim as a Sophomore in high school. I know there are guys who have dunked as early as middle school. Look at women. ANY time a woman at ANY level dunks, it's a major highlight. Even if she's 6'8' like Brittney Griner. That goes back to the strength and quickness equation.

I think women are catching up in general: both skills and physical prowess, but there is a LONG way to go before catching up with the men. But, men have had a huge head start from caveman days of hunting vs gathering and women started playing basketball many years after men and it started with half court.

But, to answer your original question, I DO think the average college or NBA male player would dominate the WNBA and I think the average male high school player could make a roster.

However, if you start talking about guys who have not played basketball or do play and are not good, I don't think those players could. In fact, if you watched one of those recent NBA all-star games where they had some WNBA players and average celebrities, you could see Diggins and some others perform noticeably better than the ones who weren't known for basketball.
 
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It may not surprise some people to hear this, but I partly blame the coaches for the fact that Simmons never developed. She played the same type of street basketball as a senior as she did as a freshman--and all Warlick could do was sound lame talking about how "Meggan is just a scorer," which wasn't actually true. She matured a bit but not enough. She has a funky release and just never became a dependable half-court player, never became efficient--and never seemed to bulk up at all, which would have helped. It's too bad because she does love the game. She will catch on with somebody somewhere.
 
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Meghan never learned the value of a pass or an assist. She probably would have gotten drafted higher anyway if her shooting percentages were higher. She was a volume shooter not a percentage shooter. The percentages do not lie she was average shooting the basketball. If she had developed a slash to the basket game earlier in her career she would have been drafted higher. Teams look at her and see her percentages, and her assist to turnover ratio. Those stats are the reason she was drafted so late. Teams rather have a player that only took 500 shots and made 250 of them or a player that had 200 assists to 100 turnovers. I saw this coming a couple years ago hopefully she will find a way to be successful with the right team.
 
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clkou said:
When I was a Freshman high school basketball player, every so often, we would scrimmage the girl's varsity team and we would smoke them pretty badly. And, to be honest, the girls would play dirty and we would be a little timid not wanting to hurt them or anything. This was 20 years ago, but I'd say the average male basketball player was at LEAST two major skill levels better than a woman at that time based on that scenario.

The major difference between men and women, in not just basketball but most sports, is physical prowess. Women, by and large, are smaller, weigh less, and have less physical strength. That DOES make a big difference in game like basketball. Having physical strength can manifest in ways you might not think, like quickness and running speed. So, the average woman won't be as tall, strong, or quick and will be easy to knock around compared to the average man.

It's pretty daunting to make up for those deficits in conventional ways like shooting, dribbling, passing, and high basketball IQ.

Just look at dunking. I'm 6'1'' and white and got my first dunk on a regulation ball and 10 foot rim as a Sophomore in high school. I know there are guys who have dunked as early as middle school. Look at women. ANY time a woman at ANY level dunks, it's a major highlight. Even if she's 6'8' like Brittney Griner. That goes back to the strength and quickness equation.

I think women are catching up in general: both skills and physical prowess, but there is a LONG way to go before catching up with the men. But, men have had a huge head start from caveman days of hunting vs gathering and women started playing basketball many years after men and it started with half court.

But, to answer your original question, I DO think the average college or NBA male player would dominate the WNBA and I think the average male high school player could make a roster.

However, if you start talking about guys who have not played basketball or do play and are not good, I don't think those players could. In fact, if you watched one of those recent NBA all-star games where they had some WNBA players and average celebrities, you could see Diggins and some others perform noticeably better than the ones who weren't known for basketball.
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well duuuh haven't ya'll noticed there is a difference between men and women yet ? there are videos on the internet,if you have to look for the differences :)
 
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with only what 12 ? WNBA teams, there just aren't enough spots for some extremely talented players. Hopefully Meaghan used her time at UT to gain a degree in a course of study that gives her another avenue to success. may GOD bless & keep her in HIS care.
 
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armchair said:
It may not surprise some people to hear this, but I partly blame the coaches for the fact that Simmons never developed. She played the same type of street basketball as a senior as she did as a freshman--and all Warlick could do was sound lame talking about how "Meggan is just a scorer," which wasn't actually true. She matured a bit but not enough. She has a funky release and just never became a dependable half-court player, never became efficient--and never seemed to bulk up at all, which would have helped. It's too bad because she does love the game. She will catch on with somebody somewhere.
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Hello, you blame the coaches for everything from global warming to the crappy economy. No big surprise here. Still think you should get a degree and a coaching gig. You know it all from basketball to softball.:crazy:
 
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